Statics: tension in cable holding gate closed

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The discussion revolves around calculating the tension in a cable holding a gate closed against the pressure of water. Participants are analyzing the forces acting on the gate, including the tension from the cable and the hydrostatic pressure from the water, while attempting to reconcile their calculations with a provided answer from a textbook.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the tension in the cable is 800 LBs and seeks to find the depth of water that produces this tension, using lever arm analysis.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the placement of the 5.18 ft dimension in the diagram and inquires about the width of the gate.
  • A participant mentions that the book states the depth of water needed to create the 800-LB tension is 5.18 feet and provides a link to a diagram related to a similar problem.
  • One participant challenges the calculated force, suggesting that the total horizontal load on a vertical surface was overestimated and encourages a reevaluation of the force acting specifically on the gate.
  • A participant introduces a formula for the center of pressure, asking if others are familiar with it, indicating a potential method for refining the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and assumptions regarding the forces acting on the gate, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants have made various assumptions, such as the width of the gate and the interpretation of the hydrostatic pressure force. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the calculation of torque and the application of the center of pressure formula.

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1. Homework Statement
The tension in the cable is 800LBs. Find the depth of water that produces this tension. The gate is hinged at B; the cable is attached at A. (Figure 1)

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The Attempt at a Solution


OK, so this is just 2 opposing lever arms: the tension in the cable is pulling the gate closed (clockwise) and the pressure of the water is trying to open the gate (counter-clockwise).
So we start on the easy side.

Given the geometry, we know that the gate forms a 3/4/5 triangle and therefore the angle between the gate and the vertical is 36.8 degrees (Figure 5).
An 800-LB pull on the cable translates into a 480-LB pull perpendicular to the gate (Figure 2).
The cable's lever arm is therefore (480)(2.5)=1200 Ft-LBs.

This is opposed by the force of the water.

OK, so I cheated and looked at the answer in the book, and I still cannot see how they got this answer.

The book says that the water is 5.18 feet deep; we call this h.
h/3 is 1.727 feet; this is the centroid of the body of water.
So 1.727 feet from the bottom takes us .727 feet into our 3/4/5 triangle (Figure 4), which means that at this point the lever arm for the water is 1.6 (Figure 3).
The force of the water is (1/2)(gamma x h)(h) which is (1/2) (62.4 x 5.18)(5.18).
This equals 837 Lbs/Ft squared.
The torque exerted by the water is therefore (837)(1.6) = 1339 Ft-Lbs

And we were expecting 1200.

Where did I make a wrong turn?
Thank you in advance for any help:smile:
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Could you draw the 5.18ft on your diagram? It is not clear where this dimension is taken from.

Also, how wide is the gate?
 
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The depth of the water, which they are consistently calling h in the book, is supposed to be 5.18 feet to create the 800-LB tension in the cable.

For some reason, I am unable to upload another diagram, so I parked the diagram here:
http://www.firstbyteashville.com/images/problem580fig6.jpg
In this diagram, which applies to a similar problem, they show a 6-foot-deep pool of water.

In other similar problems in the book, when they do not specify otherwise, we assume the gate is 1 foot wide. So I have made that assumption here. Thank you again in advance.
 
First, I think the force you calculated is too high. You calculated the total horizontal load acting on a vertical surface that is 5.18ft high. You want the portion of the force acting on the gate only. See if you can come up with a better number for this.

For the center of pressure yp there is a formula that involves the moment of inertia I0:
yp = yc + I0/[A(yc)]

Have you seen this formula before?
 

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