Find the derivative of a function

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The problem involves finding the derivative of the function E(t) = 100te^(1 + cos((2π*t)/365)). Participants are discussing the application of derivative rules, particularly the product and chain rules, in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring the correct application of derivative rules, questioning the placement of terms within the exponent, and discussing formatting for clarity. There are attempts to clarify the derivative of composite functions and the use of notation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the correct application of the chain rule and the importance of notation. There is ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the derivative expression, with no explicit consensus on the final form or simplification.

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There are mentions of potential confusion in notation and formatting, as well as the need for careful tracking of variables when applying the chain rule. Participants are also considering how to present their expressions clearly.

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Homework Statement


E(t) = 100te1+cos((2π*t)/365

What is the derivative of this function?

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The Attempt at a Solution



100*e1+cos((2π*t)/365) + 100t*e1+cos((2π*t)/365) * -(2π/365)sin(2πt/365)

I have tried to use the rules for derivative of products, and also used the chain rule.
 
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The sine should not be inside the exponent - example:
##\frac{d}{dt}e^{\sin(t)} = e^{\sin(t)}\cos(t)##

Note:
It can make for better formatting to use ##\exp[f(t)]## instead of ##e^{f(t)}## when ##f(t)## is quite involved.
 
Simon Bridge said:
The sine should not be inside the exponent - example:
##\frac{d}{dt}e^{\sin(t)} = e^{\sin(t)}\cos(t)##

Note:
It can make for better formatting to use ##\exp[f(t)]## instead of ##e^{f(t)}## when ##f(t)## is quite involved.
But other than that, is it correct? So can I put:

100e1+cos(2πt)/365) (1 - (2π/365)sin(2πt/365) t) ?
 
##\frac{d}{dt}\big[1+\cos(2\pi t/365) \big] \neq 1-(2\pi/365)\sin(2\pi t/365)##
The main trick with using chain rule is to keep careful track of what is what.

Try ##g = e^{u(v(t))}## so ##\frac{dg}{dt} = e^{u(v(t))}\frac{du}{dv}\frac{dv}{dt}## and work out du/dv and dv/dt separately.

[no - got it right first time ...]
 
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Simon Bridge said:
##\frac{d}{dt}\big[1+\cos(2\pi t/365) \big] \neq 1-(2\pi/365)\sin(2\pi t/365)##
That's not what he's doing.

ChrisBrandsborg said:
But other than that, is it correct? So can I put:

100e1+cos(2πt)/365) (1 - (2π/365)sin(2πt/365) t) ?
This is correct, though it's more common to put the factor of ##t## in front of the sin. That way there's no ambiguity it's multiplying the function rather than the argument of the function.
 
Oh I'm having fun reading the notation ... like reading "*-" as a "-" instead of "multiplied by the negative of". My bad:
$$\frac{d}{dt}E(t) = 100\left[1-(2\pi /365)t\sin(2\pi t/365) \right]e^{1+\cos(2\pi t/365)}$$ ... something like that?.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Oh I'm having fun reading the notation ... like reading "*-" as a "-" instead of "multiplied by the negative of". My bad:
$$\frac{d}{dt}E(t) = 100\left[1-(2\pi /365)t\sin(2\pi t/365) \right]e^{1+\cos(2\pi t/365)}$$ ... something like that?.

Yes, that is what I have now. Is it done? Or can I simplify it? :)
 
I'd stop there.
 

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