Find the equation of this magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation for a magnetic field related to an electron moving through a square region. The problem involves parameters such as the magnetic field's relationship to the electron's velocity and the radius associated with the electron.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the values used for constants and parameters, particularly questioning the source of the radius of the electron. There is also exploration of the equations related to magnetic fields and their derivations, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the applicability of certain formulas.

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Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made regarding the radius and the equations used. There is a recognition that the question asks for the minimum magnetic field strength required for the electron to exit the square region with a specific velocity orientation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the trajectory of charged particles in magnetic fields, but no consensus has been reached.

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The problem specifies that the magnetic field is perpendicular to the area of the square and involves a charged particle's trajectory. Participants are also considering the implications of the question's wording and its clarity regarding the desired outcome.

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Homework Statement
An electron with velocity v =##2 \times 10^6 \\ \mathrm {ms^-1}##
enters a square region ABCD (of area a = ##1 \\ \mathrm cm^2##
along one of its side AB. Inside the region there is a magnetic field B perpendicular to the
area of the square. Find the minimum value of magnetic field for which the electron will
come out of the square with a velocity parallel to its initial velocity(parallel doesn't
necessarily mean in the same direction).
Relevant Equations
##\vec B = \frac{\mu_0 q \vec v\times \hat r}{4\pi r^2}##
When I try following numbers from internet then I don't get an expected answer.

## \mu_0 = 1.25663706 × 10-6 m kg s^{-2} A^{-2}##
##q =1.60217662 × 10^{-19} coulombs ##
##r=2.82x10^{-15} m##
Velocity of that electron is given in question

##\vec v= 2 \times 10^6 \\ \mathrm{ms^{-1}}##Since magnetic field is perpendicular to the surface that's why I took ##\vec v \times \hat r=||v||## Wait a minute, Magnetic field is perpendicular but not velocity and velocity is parallel so ##\vec v \times \hat r=0##. But if I tried it then I would get "nothing". Did I take wrong equation? Or there's some concept which I haven't figured out?
 

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Where did you get the value of ##r## from?

Edit: Also, why do you think the field is given by that formula?
 
Orodruin said:
Where did you get the value of ##r## from?
That appears to be the radius of an electron!
 
Orodruin said:
Where did you get the value of ##r## from?

Edit: Also, why do you think the field is given by that formula?
I found the ##r## from internet where it is, radius of an electron. I found that equation in a book so I believe magnetic field is given by that equation. But I worry I can't derive one for a square.

##\oint \vec B \cdot d\vec l = \mu_0 I_{enc}##
##\vec B =\frac{\mu_0 I_{enc}}{2r}##

My given equation was from (steady current law)
##\vec B = \frac{\mu_0 }{4\pi}\int\frac{\vec K \times \hat r}{r^2}da\prime##
##=\text{given at top of the thread.}##
 
Istiakshovon said:
I found the ##r## from internet where it is, radius of an electron. I found that equation in a book so I believe magnetic field is given by that equation. But I worry I can't derive one for a square.

##\oint \vec B \cdot d\vec l = \mu_0 I_{enc}##
##\vec B =\frac{\mu_0 I_{enc}}{2r}##

My given equation was from (steady current law)
##\vec B = \frac{\mu_0 }{4\pi}\int\frac{\vec K \times \hat r}{r^2}da\prime##
##=\text{given at top of the thread.}##
Does the question ask you to find the magnetic field of an electron?
 
PeroK said:
Does the question ask you to find the magnetic field of an electron?
An electron with velocity v =##2 \times 10^6 \\ \mathrm {ms^-1}##
enters a square region ABCD (of area a = ##1 \\ \mathrm cm^2##
along one of its side AB. Inside the region there is a magnetic field B perpendicular to the
area of the square. **Find the minimum value of magnetic field** for which the electron will
come out of the square with a velocity parallel to its initial velocity(parallel doesn't
necessarily mean in the same direction).

Take a look at what I bold...!
 
Istiakshovon said:
Find the minimum value of magnetic field for which the electron will
come out of the square with a velocity parallel to its initial velocity(parallel doesn't
necessarily mean in the same direction).
IMO, it would be better if the question stated simply what it wants you to find. You are aked to calculate the minimum strength of the magnetic field so that the electron exits the square in the direction opposite from the direction it was fired in.

To do the problem you must know or calculate the shape of the trajectory of a charged particle in a uniform magnetic field.
 

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