Find the greatest value of argument- complex numbers

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The discussion revolves around finding the greatest value of the argument of complex numbers within a specified region defined by the inequality |z| ≤ 3. Participants are exploring geometric interpretations and calculations related to the argument of complex numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the correctness of a sketch representing the region defined by |z| ≤ 3 and question which point in the shaded area has the greatest argument. There are attempts to relate angles and triangle properties to determine the argument, with some participants suggesting methods to visualize and calculate the angles involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and checking each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding how to approach the problem geometrically, and there are multiple interpretations of how to calculate the arguments based on the drawn triangles.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as posed, with references to specific values and angles derived from their sketches. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions regarding the positioning of points in the complex plane.

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Homework Statement
Sketch the region that satisfies the inequalities ##|z|≤3## and ##Im z≥2##

hence find the greatest value of arg ##z## for points in this region in radians.
Relevant Equations
complex numbers
since ##|z|≤3## →##z=0+0i##, therefore we shall have centre##(0,0)## and radius ##3##,
find my sketch below,
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first let me ask is the shading of the region correct?
 
The sketch is good. So now, which point in the shaded region has the greatest argument? Determine the angle by drawing a triangle.
 
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will the angle ##m## give us the greatest argument, i think i have to make use of two congruent right angles...right?
 
It'd be easier to just find the angle in the triangle you drew on the left, and then add ##\pi/2##. Anyway, you know the hypotenuse (radius) and the vertical side, so you should be good to go.
 
etotheipi said:
It'd be easier to just find the angle in the triangle you drew on the left, and then add ##\pi/2##. Anyway, you know the hypotenuse (radius) and the vertical side, so you should be good to go.

the radius would be ##3## what of the vertical side...why can't i see it aaargh??:smile:...or by accurate drawing, i should be able to get the values...
 
chwala said:
the radius would be ##3## what of the vertical side...why can't i see it aaargh??:smile:...or by accurate drawing, i should be able to get the values...

It's 2, right? It coincides with your line ##Im(z) = 2##!
 
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bingo boss:cool:
 
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Just checking on this,
the least argument (in degrees) = $$tan ∅ = \frac {2}{2.23}=41.88^0$$
and largest argument (in degrees)= $$cos ∅ =\frac {2}{3}=48.19^0+90^0 = 138.19^0$$
 
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A nice check here is if it was ##Im(z)=3/\sqrt{2}\approx 2.12##, then the argument would be 135 degrees. Since it's a little smaller than that, you have to rotate down the circle towards the x axis, and expect to get a slightly larger number.
 
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I am not getting what you are saying, to find argument, we move in an anticlockwise manner from the start point ##(0,0)##...and my reference is on the second quadrant where have a right angle and i considered the sides, ##3,2## and ##\sqrt 5## to find the acute angle...I thought ##Im Z≥2##aaaaaaaaargh thanks Office...i now get your view. You were giving me a quick way of checking...happy new year mate:cool::cool:
 
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chwala said:
I am not getting what you are saying, to find argument, we move in an anticlockwise manner from the start point ##(0,0)##...and my reference is on the second quadrant where have a right angle and i considered the sides, ##3,2## and ##\sqrt 5## to find the acute angle...

I think your answer is right, I'm just describing a way you can double check that you got at least close to the right answer (for the largest argument)
 
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