Find the limits of the following functions

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The discussion revolves around finding limits of two functions as x approaches infinity, specifically focusing on the expressions (x + log(x^2))/(3x+2) and x/(1 + (x^2)(sin x)^2). Participants are exploring the behavior of these functions under the limit condition.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the first limit by considering the behavior of log(x^2)/x and questions whether proof is needed for its limit approaching 0. For the second limit, they express uncertainty regarding the influence of (sin x)^2 on the limit.
  • Some participants suggest using L'Hôpital's rule for the first limit and provide a derivative approach, while others question the applicability of L'Hôpital's rule for the second limit, noting the oscillatory nature of the sine function.
  • Further, there is discussion about evaluating the limit by considering specific sequences where sin(x) takes on extreme values, prompting questions about the implications for the overall limit.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and exploring different interpretations of the limits. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of L'Hôpital's rule and the behavior of sine, but no consensus has been reached on the final outcomes of the limits.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of limits involving oscillatory functions and logarithmic expressions, with some assumptions about the behavior of these functions as x approaches infinity being questioned.

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Homework Statement



Ok – two limit questions. Find the limit as x -> infinity or if no limit exists then prove so.

i) (x + log(x^2))/(3x+2)
ii) x/(1 + (x^2)(sin x)^2


The Attempt at a Solution



i) my first thought was that log(x^2)/x tends to 0 so the function tends to 1/3, but if this is the case do I need to prove that log(x^2)/x tends to 0?

ii) well 0 <= (sin x)^2 <= 1 , I am pretty stuck on this one.
 
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Does log here means ln? If so then by using L'hopital rule
\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{x+\ln x^2}{3x+2}=\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{(x+\ln x^2)&#039;}{(3x+2)&#039;}=\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{1+\frac{2x}{x^2}}{3}=\frac{1}{3}

\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{x}{1+x^2\sin^2 x}=\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{1}{2x\sin^2 x+x^2 2\sin x\cos x}
 
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thanks - i) makes sense.

so ii) -> 0 ?
 
fermio said:
\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{x}{1+x^2\sin^2 x}=\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{1}{2x\sin^2 x+x^2 2\sin x\cos x}

Well, L'Hospital does not work for cases, in which, the limit does not exist. :wink:

Mattofix said:
so ii) -> 0 ?

Nope.

You can think like this: as x tends to infinity, sin(x) can take any value on the interval [-1, 1].

If sin(x) = 0, your expression becomes: x.
And if sin(x) = 1, then your expression will become: x / (1 + x2)

So now, we'll choose 2 sequences (namely, xn, and x'n), both of which grow without bounds, and sin(xn) = 0, sin(x'n) = 1, for all n.

We can choose xn = 2n(pi), and x'n = pi/2 + 2n(pi).
The 2 sequences above satisfy all requirements above (you can check it yourself).

What can you say about the 2 limits:

\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{x_n}{1 + x_n ^2 \sin ^ 2 (x_n)} , \quad n \in \mathbb{N}

and:

\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{x&#039;_n}{1 + x&#039;_n ^2 \sin ^ 2 (x&#039;_n)} , \quad n \in \mathbb{N}

From there, what can you conclude about the limit:

\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \frac{x}{1 + x ^2 \sin ^ 2 (x)}?

Can you go from here? :)
 
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yep - thanks
 

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