Find the maximum amount of the equal annual withdrawal

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum amount of equal annual withdrawals from a savings account with a principal of P25,000, earning 5% interest compounded semi-annually. Participants explore mathematical modeling of the withdrawal process, focusing on recursion and closed-form solutions.

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  • One participant introduces a recursive model for the account balance after withdrawals, suggesting a formula for \(A_{n+1}\) based on the previous balance and the withdrawal amount \(W\).
  • Another participant corrects an earlier error regarding the compounding method, adjusting the recursion to account for semi-annual compounding, leading to a revised formula.
  • Subsequent posts elaborate on the homogeneous and particular solutions to the recursion, indicating how to derive a closed-form expression for the account balance over time.
  • Participants discuss the condition for the limit of the account balance to approach zero, leading to a formula for the maximum withdrawal amount \(W\) in terms of the initial deposit.
  • One participant calculates the maximum withdrawal amount as approximately P1265.625, using the derived formula and the initial deposit value.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to modeling the withdrawals, but there are corrections and refinements made to earlier claims. The exact maximum withdrawal amount is calculated, but no consensus on the implications or further applications of this result is reached.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the compounding method and the nature of withdrawals. The calculations depend on the accuracy of the recursion and the initial conditions set by the participants.

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P25,000 is deposited in a savings account that pays 5% interest, compounded semi-annually. Equal annual withdrawals are to be made from the account, beginning one year from now and continuing forever. The maximum amount of the equal annual withdrawal is closest to
A. P625
B. P1000
C. P1250
D. P1625
 
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Hello, and welcome to MHB! :)

I would let \(A_n\) be the amount in the account at the end of year \(n\), and \(W\) be the amount withdrawn at the end of year \(n\). Then we may model this problem with the following recursion:

$$A_{n+1}=1.05A_{n}-W$$

Can you give the homogeneous solution (based on the root of the characteristic equation)?
 
I made an error in my above post, where I used annual compounding. We want:

$$A_{n+1}=1.025^2A_{n}-W=\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^2A_{n}-W$$

And so our homogeneous solution will take the form:

$$h_n=c_1\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^{2n}$$

Our particular solution will take the form:

$$p_n=B$$

Substitution into the recursion yields:

$$B-\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^2B=-W$$

$$\left(\frac{9}{40}\right)^2B=W\implies B=\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W$$

And so by the principle of superposition, we obtain:

$$A_{n}=h_n+p_n=c_1\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^{2n}+\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W$$

$$A_0=c_1+\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W\implies c_1=A_0-\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W$$

And so our closed form is:

$$A_{n}=\left(A_0-\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W\right)\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^{2n}+\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W$$

To finish the problem, we want to set:

$$\lim_{n\to\infty}A_n=0$$

In order for that to happen (for the limit to be finite), we need:

$$W=\left(\frac{9}{40}\right)^2A_0$$

Using the value \(A_0=25000\), we then find:

$$W=\frac{10125}{8}=1265.625$$
 
MarkFL said:
I made an error in my above post, where I used annual compounding. We want:

$$A_{n+1}=1.025^2A_{n}-W=\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^2A_{n}-W$$

And so our homogeneous solution will take the form:

$$h_n=c_1\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^{2n}$$

Our particular solution will take the form:

$$p_n=B$$

Substitution into the recursion yields:

$$B-\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^2B=-W$$

$$\left(\frac{9}{40}\right)^2B=W\implies B=\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W$$

And so by the principle of superposition, we obtain:

$$A_{n}=h_n+p_n=c_1\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^{2n}+\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W$$

$$A_0=c_1+\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W\implies c_1=A_0-\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W$$

And so our closed form is:

$$A_{n}=\left(A_0-\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W\right)\left(\frac{41}{40}\right)^{2n}+\left(\frac{40}{9}\right)^2W$$

To finish the problem, we want to set:

$$\lim_{n\to\infty}A_n=0$$

In order for that to happen (for the limit to be finite), we need:

$$W=\left(\frac{9}{40}\right)^2A_0$$

Using the value \(A_0=25000\), we then find:

$$W=\frac{10125}{8}=1265.625$$
Tnx Sir
 

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