Find the minimum perimeter of a triangle with these constraints

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The discussion revolves around finding the minimum perimeter of a triangle under specific constraints involving vector relationships and geometric properties. The participants are exploring mathematical reasoning related to inequalities and quadratic equations in the context of triangle geometry.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to establish a relationship using vector magnitudes and inequalities, questioning if their approach is valid. Some participants suggest rearranging the equations to form a quadratic and analyze its discriminant for constraints. Others explore alternative setups for the triangle's vertices to simplify the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, providing feedback on the validity of approaches and discussing potential mistakes. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions regarding angles and relationships between triangle sides. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

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There are constraints regarding the relationships between the triangle's sides and angles, as well as the requirement for certain geometric properties to hold true. The discussion includes considerations of specific values and conditions that must be met for the triangle's perimeter to be minimized.

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My attempt:
$$|\vec{BA} -\lambda \vec {BC}| \geq 2|\vec {BC}|$$
$$|\vec {BA}|^2 -2 \lambda (\vec {BA} \cdot \vec {BC}) +\lambda ^{2} |\vec {BC}|^2 \geq 4|\vec {BC}|^2$$
$$|\vec {BA}|^2 -2 \lambda |\vec {BA}| \cos \theta +\lambda ^{2} \geq 4$$

Am I even on the right track?

Thanks
 
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By rearranging so that the RHS is zero you get a quadratic in ##\lambda## that must always be more than zero, which means it must have no real roots, which means the discriminant (##b^2-4ac##) must be negative. That will give you some constraints on ##\bar{BA}## which you can then use to work out the minimum perimeter triangle.
 
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By rearranging so that the RHS is zero you get a quadratic in ##\lambda## that must always be more than zero, which means it must have no real roots, which means the discriminant (##b^2-4ac##) must be negative. That will give you some constraints on ##\bar{BA}## which you can then use to work out the minimum perimeter triangle.
$$\lambda^2-2 \lambda |\vec {BA}| \cos \theta+|\vec {BA}|^2 -4 \geq 0$$

Using D ≤ 0 :
$$4 |\vec {BA}|^2 \cos^2 \theta-4|\vec{BA}|^2+16 \leq0$$
$$-|\vec {BA}|^2 \sin^2 \theta +4\leq0$$
$$|\vec{BA}|^2 \sin^2 \theta \geq 4$$

The maximum value of ##\sin^2 \theta## is 1 so the minimum value of ##|\vec{BA}|^2## is 4 and the minimum value of ##|\vec{BA}|## is 2

By taking ##|\vec{BA}|=2## and ##\theta = \frac{\pi}{2}##, I got ##|AC|=\sqrt{5}## so the minimum perimeter is ##3+\sqrt{5}##

Where is my mistake? Thanks
 
Following your strategy, I get the same (wrong) result. I guess it is the cosine that leads to the mistake. ##\phi## isn't independent of ##A## so you cannot treat it as a constant.

How about the following strategy:

We may assume ##B=(0,0)## and ##C=(1,0)## and ##A=(x,y)## with ##y>0.##
Then the condition reads ##\sqrt{(x-\lambda )^2+y^2}\geq 2## which implies ##y\geq 2.##
The minimal perimeter is then ##1+\sqrt{x^2+y^2}+\sqrt{(x-1)^2+y^2}## which is obviously minimal for ##y=2.## Thus we have to minimize the function ##f(x)=\sqrt{x^2+4}+\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}.##
 
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Thank you very much andrewkirk and fresh_42
 

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