Find the minimum perimeter of a triangle with these constraints

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The discussion focuses on finding the minimum perimeter of a triangle under specific constraints. Initial attempts involved manipulating vector equations and quadratic forms, leading to conditions on the lengths of the triangle's sides. A key insight was that the discriminant of the resulting quadratic must be negative to ensure no real roots, which establishes constraints on the triangle's dimensions. By assuming specific coordinates for points B and C, the minimum perimeter was recalculated, revealing that the height must be at least 2 for the triangle to satisfy the given conditions. Ultimately, the minimum perimeter was expressed as a function that can be minimized further.
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My attempt:
$$|\vec{BA} -\lambda \vec {BC}| \geq 2|\vec {BC}|$$
$$|\vec {BA}|^2 -2 \lambda (\vec {BA} \cdot \vec {BC}) +\lambda ^{2} |\vec {BC}|^2 \geq 4|\vec {BC}|^2$$
$$|\vec {BA}|^2 -2 \lambda |\vec {BA}| \cos \theta +\lambda ^{2} \geq 4$$

Am I even on the right track?

Thanks
 
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It's a good start
By rearranging so that the RHS is zero you get a quadratic in ##\lambda## that must always be more than zero, which means it must have no real roots, which means the discriminant (##b^2-4ac##) must be negative. That will give you some constraints on ##\bar{BA}## which you can then use to work out the minimum perimeter triangle.
 
andrewkirk said:
It's a good start
By rearranging so that the RHS is zero you get a quadratic in ##\lambda## that must always be more than zero, which means it must have no real roots, which means the discriminant (##b^2-4ac##) must be negative. That will give you some constraints on ##\bar{BA}## which you can then use to work out the minimum perimeter triangle.
$$\lambda^2-2 \lambda |\vec {BA}| \cos \theta+|\vec {BA}|^2 -4 \geq 0$$

Using D ≤ 0 :
$$4 |\vec {BA}|^2 \cos^2 \theta-4|\vec{BA}|^2+16 \leq0$$
$$-|\vec {BA}|^2 \sin^2 \theta +4\leq0$$
$$|\vec{BA}|^2 \sin^2 \theta \geq 4$$

The maximum value of ##\sin^2 \theta## is 1 so the minimum value of ##|\vec{BA}|^2## is 4 and the minimum value of ##|\vec{BA}|## is 2

By taking ##|\vec{BA}|=2## and ##\theta = \frac{\pi}{2}##, I got ##|AC|=\sqrt{5}## so the minimum perimeter is ##3+\sqrt{5}##

Where is my mistake? Thanks
 
Following your strategy, I get the same (wrong) result. I guess it is the cosine that leads to the mistake. ##\phi## isn't independent of ##A## so you cannot treat it as a constant.

How about the following strategy:

We may assume ##B=(0,0)## and ##C=(1,0)## and ##A=(x,y)## with ##y>0.##
Then the condition reads ##\sqrt{(x-\lambda )^2+y^2}\geq 2## which implies ##y\geq 2.##
The minimal perimeter is then ##1+\sqrt{x^2+y^2}+\sqrt{(x-1)^2+y^2}## which is obviously minimal for ##y=2.## Thus we have to minimize the function ##f(x)=\sqrt{x^2+4}+\sqrt{(x-1)^2+4}.##
 
Thank you very much andrewkirk and fresh_42
 
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