What Is the Relation of Chemical Potentials in Hydrogen Atom Ionization?

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The forum discussion focuses on the relationship of chemical potentials during the ionization of a hydrogen atom, specifically the equation μ_H = μ_p + μ_e. Participants emphasize the importance of equilibrium conditions in deriving this relationship, with references to Gibbs energy changes and the Gibbs-Duhem equation. The discussion highlights the necessity of considering the dependence of chemical potential on particle number, leading to a more complex formulation of Gibbs energy. Key insights include the clarification that for a single species at equilibrium, the differential relationship dG = μ dN holds true.

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Homework Statement


In hydrogen atom ionization H→p+e show that ##μ_H=μ_p+μ_r##

Homework Equations


G=μN (N is the number of particles)

The Attempt at a Solution


(1) I think the question should say "Find chemical potential relation AT EQUILIBRIUM", don't you think?
(2) My professor said that because ##dN_H=-dN_p=-dN_e=dN##, the change of gibbs energy becomes dG=μ_HdN_H+μ_pdN_p+μ_edN_e<br /> =(μ_H-μ_p-μ_e)dN And the equilibrium occurs when dG=0, we can derive above relation.
But chemical potential also depends on N, so I think I can't simply write dG as above(cause extra ##\frac{∂μ}{∂N}N## terms should be included). How do you think?
 
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When there are several species, each has its own chemical potential so the total Gibbs free energy has to be written as:

G = μH NH + μp Np + μe Ne
 
I think that, from the Gibbs-Duhem equation, we know that, at equilibrium, $$N_Hd\mu_H+N_pd\mu_p+N_ed\mu_e=0$$. This is pretty much the same thing that @Lord Jestocost said.
 
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Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I think where @cozycoz is getting hung up is the notion that
$$dG \neq \mu dN + Nd\mu$$
but rather
$$dG = \mu dN$$
The best way I can think to explain this is to look at the definition of ##G##: ##G = U-TS+pV##. Here, the dependence on ##\mu## and ##N## is entirely contained within the definition of internal energy ##U##. But ##U## is defined as a function of extensive variables only: ##U = U(S,V,N)##. So taking the total differential of ##U## gives;
$$dU = \frac{\partial U}{\partial S}dS + \frac{\partial U}{\partial V}dV +\frac{\partial U}{\partial N}dN$$
and we define ##\frac{\partial U}{\partial S} \equiv T##, ##\frac{\partial U}{\partial V} \equiv p##, ##\frac{\partial U}{\partial N} \equiv \mu##.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I think where @cozycoz is getting hung up is the notion that
$$dG \neq \mu dN + Nd\mu$$
For a single chemical species at equilibrium, this should be an equality, since, from the Clausius-Duhem equation, $$-SdT+VdP+Nd\mu=0$$
 

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