Find the tangent lines to the curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the tangent lines to the curve defined by the equation \(y=\frac{x}{x + 1}\) that pass through the point (1,2). Participants are exploring the conditions under which these tangent lines exist and the points of tangency on the curve.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the quotient rule to find the derivative of the curve and the implications of the slope at specific points. There are attempts to determine the x-values where the tangent lines touch the curve, with some questioning the validity of using (1,2) since it does not lie on the curve.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their findings regarding the x-values of potential points of tangency and expressing challenges in calculating the corresponding y-values. Some participants have provided equations to relate the slopes and points of tangency, while others are verifying their calculations and exploring different methods to arrive at the y-values.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the relationship between the tangent lines and the specific point (1,2), with participants noting that this point does not lie on the curve itself. The discussion includes the use of the quadratic formula and considerations of the nature of the tangent lines, including the possibility of parallel lines.

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1. How many tangent lines to the curve \left(y=\frac{x}{x + 1}\right) pass through the point (1,2)? At which points do these tangent lines touch the curve?
2. \frac{x}{x + 1}
3. I tried to use the quotient rule and came up with the equation \frac{1}{(x + 1)^{2}}. I tried plugging in 1 to get the slope of 1/4 and the equation y = 1/4x + 7/4. I know that there are two lines, because of the square.
 
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hi frosty8688! :smile:
frosty8688 said:
How many tangent lines to the curve \left(y=\frac{x}{x + 1}\right) pass through the point (1,2)?

I … came up with the equation \frac{1}{(x + 1)^{2}}. I tried plugging in 1 …

because 1 is the value of x at (1,2) ?

noooo :redface:

(1,2) isn't on the curve, is it? :wink:
 
I did figure out the x values -2±\sqrt{3}. I'm just having problems finding the y values.
 
Would it be -2±\sqrt{3} + 1 / 2 which is equal to 1/2 * -1±√3
 
frosty8688 said:
I did figure out the x values -2±\sqrt{3}. I'm just having problems finding the y values.
Those are the x values of what points? The points of tangency? If so, y is given by x/(x+1).

Let (x_0, y_0)= (x_0, x_0/(x_0+1)) be the point of tangency. Then a line through that point and (1, 2) is given by y= [(y_0- 2)/(x_0-1)](x- 1)+ 2. With y= x/(x+1), y'= 1/(x+1)^2 so we must have (y_0- 2)/(x_0-1)= 1/(x_0+1)^2 as well as y_0= x_0/(x_0+1).

Solve those two equations for x_0 and y_0.
 
Here's how I found the x values; \frac{1}{(x+1)^{2}} = \frac{y-2}{x-1}, y-2 = \frac{x-1}{(x+1)^{2}}, \frac{x}{x+1}-2 = \frac{x-1}{(x+1)^{2}}, \frac{[x-2(x+1)]}{x+1}=\frac{x-1}{(x+1)^{2}}, \frac{x-2x-2}{x+1} = \frac{x-1}{(x+1)^{2}}, \frac{-(x+2)}{x+1} = \frac{x-1}{(x+1)^{2}}, -(x+2) = \frac{x-1}{x+1}, (x+2)(x+1) = 1-x, x^{2}+4x+1 = 0. Then I used the quadratic formula and got the x values to be -2±\sqrt{3}
 
For the y values, my calculator is giving me the answer \frac{1±\sqrt{3}}{2} and I am wondering how do I get that answer without using the calculator.
 
Do I have to multiply \frac{-2±\sqrt{3}}{-2±\sqrt{3}+1} by something.
 
I figured it out.
 
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frosty8688 said:
1. How many tangent lines to the curve \left(y=\frac{x}{x + 1}\right) pass through the point (1,2)? At which points do these tangent lines touch the curve?



2. \frac{x}{x + 1}



3. I tried to use the quotient rule and came up with the equation \frac{1}{(x + 1)^{2}}. I tried plugging in 1 to get the slope of 1/4 and the equation y = 1/4x + 7/4. I know that there are two lines, because of the square.

Even though both have equal gradient, the 2 lines might be of parallel tangent lines.
Reference to a point on the curve for gradient will ensure both are intersecting same points.
 

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