Find the velocity (in a simple and timely manner)

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The problem involves two spaceships approaching Earth at equal speeds, with a focus on length contraction and velocity addition in the context of special relativity. The original poster expresses concern about the practicality of solving the problem under GRE conditions.

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  • The original poster attempts to solve the problem using length contraction and Einstein's velocity addition but finds the algebra cumbersome for a timed test. Some participants question the assumptions about contraction factors and their application between the ships and Earth.

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Participants are exploring different aspects of the problem, including the feasibility of quick solutions and the application of relevant formulas. There is a recognition of the challenge posed by the quadratic equation involved in the calculations.

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The discussion highlights the constraints of solving GRE problems without calculators and the need for efficient problem-solving strategies within a limited time frame.

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I'm preparing for the GRE, and I've encountered a practice problem that I can solve, but not in a manner practical for the test.

Homework Statement



Two spaceships approach Earth with equal speeds,
as measured by an observer on Earth, but from
opposite directions. A meterstick on one spaceship
is measured to be 60 cm long by an occupant
of the other spaceship. What is the speed of each
spaceship, as measured by the observer on Earth?
(A) 0.4c
(B) 0.5c
(C) 0.6c
(D) 0.7c
(E) 0.8c


Well, the problem seems easy. And it is: Start with length contraction followed by Einstein Velocity Addition:

Homework Equations



Length Contraction
\acute{d}=\frac{d}{\gamma}

Einstein Velocity Addition
\acute{V}=\frac{V_{1}+V_{2}}{1+\frac{V_{1}V_{2}}{C^{2}}}

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I did what you would expect. I first solved for the velocity of the two spaceships relative to each other. This gives 0.8c. But, you need the speed of the ship relative to the Earth! So I used the addition formula. This gives 0.5c, which is the correct answer!

So, the problem? This is a GRE question. I don't have a calculator or that much time to solve the question.

When you do the math, After a fair amount of algebraic manipulation, the final equation looks like this:
v^{4}+2(1-2 \frac{d^{2}}{\acute{d^{2}}})v^{2}+1=0

And that's before throwing in the quadratic equation!

Of course, you can just calculate \acute{v} and just solve
\acute{V}=\frac{2v}{1+\frac{v^{2}}{C^{2}}}, but that still ends in a quadratic equation and a lot of arithmetic. It's not a practical solution.

I've tried manipulating the equations to create a simple, easy, equation to solve, to no luck. What do you think?
 
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My guess:
The contraction factor from ship1 to ship2 is the product of the contraction factor from ship1 to Earth and the contraction factor from Earth to ship2.
Isn't it?
To be checked.
 
maajdl said:
My guess:
The contraction factor from ship1 to ship2 is the product of the contraction factor from ship1 to Earth and the contraction factor from Earth to ship2.
Isn't it?
To be checked.

Why would that be?
 
Hi Narroo! On the physics GRE you don't have to get every question correct, it's probably best to find all the ones you can do quickly and easily first and then leave ones like this until last.

But if you can remember the formula for \gamma and the velocity addition formula, this one shouldn't take you more than 2-3 minutes.

Narroo said:
Well, I did what you would expect. I first solved for the velocity of the two spaceships relative to each other. This gives 0.8c.

I agree - you know that \gamma = \frac{5}{3} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\beta^2}} so \beta = \frac{4}{5}.

(it's a 3-4-5 triangle)

[1 minute so far]

But, you need the speed of the ship relative to the Earth! So I used the addition formula. This gives 0.5c, which is the correct answer!

Again I agree, you just solve \frac{2\beta}{1 + \beta^2} = \frac{4}{5} for \beta, \beta = \frac{1}{2}.

[2 minutes total :smile:]
 

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