Find the volume of the region D using spherical coordinates

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The problem involves finding the volume of a region D using spherical coordinates, with specific equations and integrals provided. Participants are discussing the interpretation of the solution and the steps involved in the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the derivation of cos α = 1/√(3) and whether a minus sign was omitted in the transition between integral steps. There is also discussion about the order of coordinates in spherical coordinates.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the solution's steps and interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the notation of spherical coordinates, and there is acknowledgment of differing conventions.

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There are mentions of potential confusion regarding the notation of spherical coordinates and the implications of different coordinate systems. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on certain aspects of the solution process.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


V(D) = ∫∫∫_D ρ^2 sinθ dρ dϕ dθ

The Attempt at a Solution


How exactly does the solution get cos α = 1/√(3)?

Also, when the solution goes from the step with two integrals to the step with one integral, is a minus sign forgotten by the author of the solution (because it seems to me that it should be cos(π/2) - cos α, where cos(π/2) = 0)?

Also, to be pedantic, given the way the problem is approached in the solution, shouldn't the solution say "in spherical coordinates (ρ, ϕ, θ)" (instead of (ϕ, θ, ρ))?
 

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s3a said:
How exactly does the solution get cos α = 1/√(3)?
Good question. I get that it's 1/2.
s3a said:
when the solution goes from the step with two integrals to the step with one integral, is a minus sign forgotten by the author
What's the integral of sin(x)?
s3a said:
shouldn't the solution say "in spherical coordinates (ρ, ϕ, θ)"
There is no universal standard, though it is usual to put radius first. Certainly phi and theta are used with swapped roles by different authors, quite apart from how they're placed within the co-ordinate triple.
 
Good question. I get that it's 1/2.
Okay, so to get 1/2 (instead of 1/√(3)) what you did was the following (or something similar), right?:
[x^2 + y^2 + z^2 ≤ 1] + [4z^2 ≤ x^2 + y^2 + z^2]

x^2 + y^2 + z^2 + 4z^2 ≤ 1 + x^2 + y^2 + z^2

4z^2 ≤ 1

z^2 ≤ 1/4

z ≤ 1/2 (we ignore z ≥ -1/2, because z ≥ 0 is one of the conditions)

Then, using a Cartesian coordinate system where the positive z axis is upward, the positive y-axis is into the screen and the positive x-axis is toward the right, we draw a right triangle with height/leg z = 1/2, radius/hypotenuse ρ = 1, where α is the angle separating the leg z from the hypotenuse ρ, from which we get that cos α = 1/2.

What's the integral of sin(x)?
The integral of sin(x) is -cos(x), and I now see my mistake. :)

There is no universal standard, though it is usual to put radius first. Certainly phi and theta are used with swapped roles by different authors, quite apart from how they're placed within the co-ordinate triple.
So, in other words, what you're saying is that the order in the notation (ρ, ϕ, θ) doesn't have to be the same order as that of the differential components in the integral, right?
 
s3a said:
what you did was the following (or something similar),
Yes, similar: the distance from the origin to a point on the cone is 2z. cos(alpha) = adjacent/hypotenuse = z/2z..
s3a said:
the order in the notation (ρ, ϕ, θ) doesn't have to be the same order as that of the differential components in the integral
That would be true even if (ρ, ϕ, θ) were absolutely standard for polar co-ordinates.
 
Alright, so, lastly, the final answer is V(D) = π/3, right?
 
s3a said:
Alright, so, lastly, the final answer is V(D) = π/3, right?
Yes.
In fact, cylindrical co-ordinates are slightly better here. ##\int_0^{\frac 12} \pi((1-z^2) - 3z^2).dz##, ##\pi((1-z^2) - 3z^2)## being the area of the annulus at z.
 
Thanks for that and everything above too. :)
 

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