Find this integral in terms of the given integrals

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int_{b-1}^b \frac{e^{-t}}{t-b-1} dt\) in terms of the integral \(\int_0^1 \frac{e^t}{t+1} dt = a\). Participants are exploring substitution methods and properties of definite integrals to relate the two integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using substitutions to transform the second integral to resemble the first integral. There are questions about the appropriateness of the substitution \(u = t - b + 1\) and its impact on the limits and the denominator.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of substitution techniques, with some participants suggesting that the current approach may not yield the correct form. Acknowledgment of the need to manipulate the given integral further is noted, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering how to adjust the limits of integration and the form of the denominator in the context of the substitution, indicating a focus on the structure of the integrals involved.

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If [itex]\displaystyle \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^t}{t+1} dt = a[/itex] then [itex]\displaystyle \int_{b-1}^b \dfrac{e^{-t}}{t-b-1} dt[/itex] is equal to

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I used the definite integral property in the second integral

[itex]\displaystyle \int_{b-1}^b \dfrac{e^{-2b-1-t}}{b-2-t} dt[/itex]
 
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They want you to solve the second integral in terms of the a they gave you.

Try making the substitution u = t - b + 1 in the second integral.
 
brmath said:
They want you to solve the second integral in terms of the a they gave you.

Try making the substitution u = t - b + 1 in the second integral.

Thanks. But how did it occur to you that u=t-b+1 would be a good idea?
 
utkarshakash said:
Thanks. But how did it occur to you that u=t-b+1 would be a good idea?

You need to change the limits to 0 and 1. So our aim is to find a substitution that would do this job.
 
utkarshakash said:
Thanks. But how did it occur to you that u=t-b+1 would be a good idea?

Well, I was trying to change your second integral so it would look more like the first. In general it is useful to get rid of the constants in the denominator. And as Pranav-Arora points out that formula is handy for getting the limits of integration right.

The problem now is that with the change u = t - b + 1 you don't have the right denominator. And if you set up u to get u + 1 in the denominator you don't have the right limits of integration.

So I'm not sure this trick is the right approach. I'll think about it some more.
 
brmath said:
Well, I was trying to change your second integral so it would look more like the first. In general it is useful to get rid of the constants in the denominator. And as Pranav-Arora points out that formula is handy for getting the limits of integration right.

The problem now is that with the change u = t - b + 1 you don't have the right denominator. And if you set up u to get u + 1 in the denominator you don't have the right limits of integration.

So I'm not sure this trick is the right approach. I'll think about it some more.

Your substitution is OK, you need to play with the given integral.

$$ \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^t}{t+1} dt = \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^{1-t}}{2-t} dt$$

Do you see now?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Your substitution is OK, you need to play with the given integral.

$$ \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^t}{t+1} dt = \int_0^1 \dfrac{e^{1-t}}{2-t} dt$$

Do you see now?

Yes, after all that I made the wrong substitution in the e##^{-t}##. Thank you for your help.
 
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