Find volume of circle. Cross-sections are squares. What am I doing wrong? :/

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The problem involves finding the volume of a solid with square cross-sections, where the solid is defined between the planes at x=6 and x=-6, and the cross-sections are based on the semicircles defined by the equation y=±√(36 - x^2). The original poster attempts to calculate the volume using the area of the cross-sections but encounters discrepancies in their results.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the area of the square cross-sections, questioning whether the area should be calculated as (2√(36 - x^2))^2 or 2(√(36 - x^2))^2. There is also a comparison with another problem involving squares with diagonals defined by parabolas, leading to further exploration of the relationship between side lengths and diagonals.

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Some participants have provided insights into the correct interpretation of the dimensions of the squares, particularly distinguishing between side lengths and diagonals. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these interpretations on the calculations, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework problems, which may impose specific methods or interpretations that are being questioned. There is a noted confusion regarding the application of formulas based on different geometric definitions (sides vs. diagonals).

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Hi, everyone. I am just trying to do some practice problems on finding volume.

So this is the one I'm working on:

1. "Find the volume of the solid described below:

The solid lies between the planes perpendicular to the x-axis at x=6 and x=-6. The cross-sections perpendicular to the axis on the interval -6≤x≤6 are squares whose bases run from the semicircle y= -√(36 - x^2) to the semicircle y= √(36 - x^2)."2. I first drew out the object, which is a sphere with a radius of 6.

Every cross-section is a square, so each will have an area s^2. The area of each cross-section is 2(√(36 - x^2))^2.

To find the volume, the dx represents the thickness of each square that fills the sphere.

2∫-6 to 6 of (√(36 - x^2))^2

= 2∫36 - x^2

= 2(36x - (x^3)/3)dx |-6 to 6

= Plug in values... Answer = 576units^3

But this is counted as the wrong answer! What am I doing wrong here?! :/
Thanks for your help! :)
 
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Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
Hi, everyone. I am just trying to do some practice problems on finding volume.

So this is the one I'm working on:

1. "Find the volume of the solid described below:

The solid lies between the planes perpendicular to the x-axis at x=6 and x=-6. The cross-sections perpendicular to the axis on the interval -6≤x≤6 are squares whose bases run from the semicircle y= -√(36 - x^2) to the semicircle y= √(36 - x^2)."


2. I first drew out the object, which is a sphere with a radius of 6.

Every cross-section is a square, so each will have an area s^2. The area of each cross-section is 2(√(36 - x^2))^2.

To find the volume, the dx represents the thickness of each square that fills the sphere.

2∫-6 to 6 of (√(36 - x^2))^2

= 2∫36 - x^2

= 2(36x - (x^3)/3)dx |-6 to 6

= Plug in values... Answer = 576units^3

But this is counted as the wrong answer! What am I doing wrong here?! :/
Thanks for your help! :)

I think the area of each cross section should be (2√(36 - x^2))^2 not 2(√(36 - x^2))^2. See the difference?
 
Oh, yes, I see what you mean. Since every cross-section has a side of 2√(36 - x^2), this whole thing is what needs to be squared.

But- I did this in another problem, and it led me to the wrong answer! That is why I switched it to 2(√(36 - x^2))^2.

The other problem was this:

"Find the volume of the solid describe below:

The solid lies between the planes perpendicular to the x-axis at x=0 and x=6 . The cross-sections perpendicular to the axis on the interval 0≤x≤6 are squares whose diagonals run from the parabola y= -√(x) to the parabola y= √(x)."

So when I drew out the graph, it looked sort of like a parabola turned on its side.

Since every cross-section is a square, the area = s^2.
Following the should-be-correct-method, the area of each square = (2√(x))^2

∫0 to 6 of (2√(x))^2dx

= ∫4xdx

= 4(1/2*x^2) |0 to 6

= 4(1/2(6)^2) - 0

= 72
This is counted as the wrong answer! The correct answer is 36!

I get 36 only when I separate the 2 from the (√(x))^2. But we already went over how that would be incorrect.

So what is wrong here...?
Thanks so much for the help! :)
 
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
Oh, yes, I see what you mean. Since every cross-section has a side of 2√(36 - x^2), this whole thing is what needs to be squared.

But- I did this in another problem, and it led me to the wrong answer! That is why I switched it to 2(√(36 - x^2))^2.

The other problem was this:

"Find the volume of the solid describe below:

The solid lies between the planes perpendicular to the x-axis at x=0 and x=6 . The cross-sections perpendicular to the axis on the interval 0≤x≤6 are squares whose diagonals run from the parabola y= -√(x) to the parabola y= √(x)."

So when I drew out the graph, it looked sort of like a parabola turned on its side.

Since every cross-section is a square, the area = s^2.
Following the should-be-correct-method, the area of each square = (2√(x))^2

∫0 to 6 of (2√(x))^2dx

= ∫4xdx

= 4(1/2*x^2) |0 to 6

= 4(1/2(6)^2) - 0

= 72
This is counted as the wrong answer! The correct answer is 36!

I get 36 only when I separate the 2 from the (√(x))^2. But we already went over how that would be incorrect.

So what is wrong here...?
Thanks so much for the help! :)

In the first case they are giving you the side of the square s. Then the area is s^2. In the second case they are giving you the diagonal of the square. If the diagonal of the square is s, what's the area?
 
Oh, right! Thanks!

I thought that if the diagonals run from the parabola y=-√(x) to y=√(x),
then each diagonal should equal 2*√(x)

So since eace DIAGONAL = 2√(x), we have to figure out the length of each SIDE!

2√(x)= side*√2

[2√(x)]/√(2) = side

∫0 to 6 of [(2√(x))/√(2)]^2 dx

= ∫4x/2 dx= ∫2x dx

= (2x^2)/2 |0 to 6

= (6)^2 - (0)^2

= 36

So, yay, I get the right answer. But am I thinking about the diagonals and sides correctly?

Thank you! :)
 
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
Oh, right! Thanks!

I thought that if the diagonals run from the parabola y=-√(x) to y=√(x),
then each diagonal should equal 2*√(x)

So since eace DIAGONAL = 2√(x), we have to figure out the length of each SIDE!

2√(x)= side*√2

[2√(x)]/√(2) = side

∫0 to 6 of [(2√(x))/√(2)]^2 dx

= ∫4x/2 dx= ∫2x dx

= (2x^2)/2 |0 to 6

= (6)^2 - (0)^2

= 36

So, yay, I get the right answer. But am I thinking about the diagonals and sides correctly?

Thank you! :)

Yes you are. If they give you a side s then the area is s^2. If they give you a diagonal d, then s=d/sqrt(2) so the area is d^2/2.
 
Oh, okay. Thank you! :D
 

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