Volume of Solid w/ 4x4 Square Base & Cross-Sections of Semicircles

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The problem involves finding the volume of a solid with a square base measuring 4 by 4 units. The cross sections of the solid, which are perpendicular to one diagonal of the square base, are semicircles with diameters along the base.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the placement of the square base in a coordinate system and the implications of integrating along the diagonal. There are questions regarding the correct interpretation of the semicircular cross sections and how to derive the radius of these semicircles based on the geometry of the square.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring different methods to set up the integral for calculating the volume, with one suggesting a symmetry approach by integrating over half of the square. Others are questioning the accuracy of their initial calculations and considering adjustments to their integration methods. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet, but productive discussions are ongoing.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential errors in their calculations and the need to clarify the relationship between the semicircular cross sections and the dimensions of the square base. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the geometry involved.

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Homework Statement


Find the volume of the solid whose base is a 4 by 4 square. Cross sections perpendicular to one diagonal of the square base are semi-circles with diameter on the base.

Homework Equations


V=pi r^2
A=S^2

The Attempt at a Solution


The cross sections are perpendicular to the x axis, so I need to integrate with respect to x. I centered the square base on a cartesian coordinate system and found via the pythogorean theorem that half the diagonal, which I believe is the radius of the semicircle, has a value of 2*2^(1/2). V=pi r^2, so \int_{0}^{4}(pi*(2\sqrt{2})^2) dx =100.53
Am I on the right track with this solution?
 
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ciubba said:

Homework Statement


Find the volume of the solid whose base is a 4 by 4 square. Cross sections perpendicular to one diagonal of the square base are semi-circles with diameter on the base.

Homework Equations


V=pi r^2
A=S^2

The Attempt at a Solution


The cross sections are perpendicular to the x axis, so I need to integrate with respect to x. I centered the square base on a cartesian coordinate system and found via the pythogorean theorem that half the diagonal, which I believe is the radius of the semicircle, has a value of 2*2^(1/2). V=pi r^2, so \int_{0}^{4}(pi*(2\sqrt{2})^2) dx =100.53
Am I on the right track with this solution?
I don't think so.
According to your problem description, the cross sections are perpendicular to the diagonal of the square. As you move away from one corner of the square, the semicircular slices get larger in diameter until you get to the other diagonal of the square, then they get smaller again.

I set up the problem by placing the diagonal of the square on the x-axis so that one corner is at (0, 0) and two other corners are at ##(\sqrt{2}, \sqrt{2})## and ##(\sqrt{2}, -\sqrt{2})##. I also used the symmetry of the situation by doubling the volume I get over half of the square.

Edit: The value I get is about 24.
 
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Mark44 said:
I don't think so.
According to your problem description, the cross sections are perpendicular to the diagonal of the square. As you move away from one corner of the square, the semicircular slices get larger in diameter until you get to the other diagonal of the square, then they get smaller again.

I set up the problem by placing the diagonal of the square on the x-axis so that one corner is at (0, 0) and two other corners are at ##(\sqrt{2}, \sqrt{2})## and ##(\sqrt{2}, -\sqrt{2})##. I also used the symmetry of the situation by doubling the volume I get over half of the square.
Now that I've had some coffee, I can see that I should have integrated along the diagonal like you did. Also, I forgot to half the volume formula because I'm dealing with semi-circles. In this situation, how do I find the equation that produces the radius of the semi-circles?

Edit: The best I could do was the following: I centered one of the corners on the origin and used the y-axis to divide the square into two symmetric halves. From here, I called the upper boundary of the square f(x) and the bottom boundary g(x) and then I integrated 2 \int_{-2 \sqrt{2}}^{0} \frac {( \pi (.5[f(x)-g(x)])^2)}{2} Is there a better way to do that?

Here's a picture of what I did if the text isn't clear
http://postimg.org/image/w0w7pwuy9/6e31b24f/
 
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ciubba said:
Now th

Now that I've had some coffee, I can see that I should have integrated along the diagonal like you did. Also, I forgot to half the volume formula because I'm dealing with semi-circles. In this situation, how do I find the equation that produces the radius of the semi-circles?

Edit: The best I could do was the following: I centered one of the corners on the origin and used the y-axis to divide the square into two symmetric halves. From here, I called the upper boundary of the square f(x) and the bottom boundary g(x) and then I integrated 2 \int_{-2 \sqrt{2}}^{0} \frac {( \pi (.5[f(x)-g(x)])^2)}{2} Is there a better way to do that?
That will work, but it isn't the most convenient way to set things up. I put the left corner of the square at the origin, which makes it easier to find the equations of the lines that make up the edges of the square.

BTW, I had an error in my result. I now get a value between 23 and 24. I have edited my earlier post to correct it.
ciubba said:
Here's a picture of what I did if the text isn't clear
http://postimg.org/image/w0w7pwuy9/6e31b24f/
 

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