Finding 4 points in a plane, when random points given

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The problem involves identifying four points that lie on a plane formed by given vertices of a 3D quadrilateral. The vertices provided are (-3, -1, 4), (0, -1, -2), (2, 5, 1), (3, 2, 7), and (5, 1, -2).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of finding the normal vector and the implications of the dot product in determining the plane. There is also a consideration of the ambiguity in the question regarding which four vertices are intended to be coplanar.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have proposed methods for identifying the four points, while others are questioning the clarity of the original question and the definition of the vertices involved.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the phrasing of the question and whether it explicitly asks for which four vertices lie in a plane, as well as the reference to the vertices labeled as A, B, C, and D.

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Homework Statement


Points (-3, -1, 4), (0, -1, -2), (2, 5, 1), (3, 2, 7) and (5, 1, -2) are the vertexes of an 3D quadrilateral.
Find four points which are on a plane in the 3D quadrilateral.


The Attempt at a Solution



I know that you can find the points by counting the normal vector of two given vectors and then multiplying this with the given vector, not one in the cross product. If the dot product is zero for each vector, then you have found the plane.

However, this takes many steps to count.

The correct answer to the question is apparently ABDC.

How can you find efficiently the plane?
 
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is that exactly how the question is written? it seems a little ambiguous...

coudl it be wihch 4 vertices fall in a plane?

and what are ABDC?
 
lanedance said:
is that exactly how the question is written? it seems a little ambiguous...

coudl it be wihch 4 vertices fall in a plane?

and what are ABDC?

4 vertices fall in a plane.
A refers to the first point in the exercise, B to the second, ... D to the fourth and so on.
 
i still don't get it, doesn't a quadrilateral only have 4 sides & vertices?

but you could do it the way you suggest, though a little tedious
 
i think i get it now, its a quadrilateral base with another point, find which 4 points make the base, all falling in a plane?
 
lanedance said:
i think i get it now, its a quadrilateral base with another point, find which 4 points make the base, all falling in a plane?

Exactly. This is what I mean and trying to find a faster way than the one which I proposed in my question to find the four points in the plane.
 

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