Finding a Convergent Sequence with a Limit of 1

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The discussion revolves around finding a sequence \( (a_n) \) such that \( \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \left|a_{n+1}/a_{n}\right| = 1 \) and the series \( \sum^{\infty}_{n=1} a_{n} \) converges. Participants explore the implications of the ratio test and the conditions under which a series converges or diverges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss examples of sequences, such as \( a_n = \frac{1}{n} \), and question why this specific sequence does not lead to convergence of the series despite approaching zero. There is also exploration of the ratio test and its inconclusive nature when \( L = 1 \).

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of convergence and divergence. Some suggest examining the properties of the harmonic series and alternating series as examples that fit the problem's criteria. There is an ongoing exploration of different sequences and their behavior under the ratio test.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the conditions under which series converge, particularly in relation to the limit of the ratio of consecutive terms. The discussion highlights the distinction between sequences that approach zero and the convergence of their corresponding series.

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Homework Statement



Give an example of a sequence [tex](a_n)[/tex] so that [tex]lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \left|a_{n+1}/a_{n}\right| =1[/tex] and [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} a_{n}[/tex] converges

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(Maybe relevant, maybe not)
Theorem which states:

If [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} a_{n}[/tex] converges, then [tex]lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} a_{n} =0[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm having trouble coming up with [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} a_{n}[/tex] that converges...

Since [tex]lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} a_{n} =0[/tex] doesn't imply the convergence of [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} a_{n}[/tex] (the theorem only works the other way around), I'm not sure where to start.

Any hint will be appreciated. Thank you.
 
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DPMachine said:
I'm having trouble coming up with [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} a_{n}[/tex] that converges...
You can certainly come up with some converging sum, ignoring the other requirement for a moment?

[tex]a_n=\frac{1}{n}[/tex] satisfies [tex]\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|\to 1[/tex], but [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} a_{n}[/tex] does not converge. Can you modify this example such that it does?
 
Landau said:
You can certainly come up with some converging sum, ignoring the other requirement for a moment?

[tex]a_n=\frac{1}{n}[/tex] satisfies [tex]\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|\to 1[/tex], but [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} a_{n}[/tex] does not converge. Can you modify this example such that it does?

Sorry, I don't think my question was clear. I'm having trouble understanding what makes certain partial sums converge/not converge.

So yeah, [tex]a_n=\frac{1}{n}[/tex] does satisfy [tex]\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|\to 1[/tex], but why wouldn't [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} a_{n}[/tex] converge? Isn't [tex]1/n[/tex] approaching zero?
 
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The purpose of this exercise seems to be exploring the edge case of the ratio test. For the terms in an infinite series [itex]\sum a_n[/itex], you look at the limit
[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\left|\frac{a_{n + 1}}{a_n}\right|~=~L[/tex]
If L < 1, the series converges absolutely.
If L > 1, the series diverges.
If L = 1, or no limit exists, the test is inconclusive.

This problem seems to be about that third possibility, where L = 1.
 
Mark44 said:
The purpose of this exercise seems to be exploring the edge case of the ratio test. For the terms in an infinite series [itex]\sum a_n[/itex], you look at the limit
[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\left|\frac{a_{n + 1}}{a_n}\right|~=~L[/tex]
If L < 1, the series converges absolutely.
If L > 1, the series diverges.
If L = 1, or no limit exists, the test is inconclusive.

This problem seems to be about that third possibility, where L = 1.

Okay, I think I understand it... so if L=1, it's possible for [tex]\sum a_{n}[/tex] to either converge or diverge.

So, for example, when [tex]a_{n}[/tex] is an alternating harmonic series (from the wiki article above):
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then [tex]\sum a_{n}[/tex] would converge and also have L=1.

On the other hand, if [tex]a_{n}[/tex] is something like [tex]a_{1}=1, a_{n+1}=a_{n}[/tex] so that [tex](a_{n}) = (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, ...)[/tex]

then [tex]\sum a_{n}[/tex] does not converge (since it goes to infinity) but still have L=1.

Is that right?
 

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