Finding area and volume of bounded region via integration

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The discussion revolves around finding the area and volume of a region bounded by the curves \(y=x-3\), \(y=5-x\), and \(y=3\) using integration techniques. Participants explore setting up integral expressions for both area and volume, as well as evaluating these integrals.

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  • Participants attempt to set up integral expressions for the area as a function of both \(x\) and \(y\). There are discussions about the bounds of integration and the correctness of the expressions. Some participants question the limits used in the integrals and suggest drawing the region for better understanding.

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There are multiple integral expressions proposed for both area and volume, with some participants providing evaluations of these integrals. Guidance has been offered regarding the need to reconsider bounds and the setup of integrals, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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Some participants note potential issues with the integration limits, particularly regarding the intersection points of the curves, which may not align with the initially proposed bounds. There is also mention of needing to use two integrals for certain calculations.

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Hi,

I just need these solutions checked.
Thank you in advance!

Consider the region bounded by the following curves ##y=x-3, y=5-x, \text{and}\ y=3##:

1.) set up an integral expression that would give the area of the region of y as a function of x:

##y = x-3 = 5-x##
##x + x - 3 - 5 = 0##
##2x-8=0##
##x = 4##
##\displaystyle \int_0^3 |\left(2x-8\right)|\ dx##

2.) set up an integral expression that would give the area of the region of x as a function of y:

##\displaystyle \int_0^5 |\left(5-y\right)|##

3.) compute the area of the region by evaluating one of the expressions in (1.) or (2.):

##\displaystyle \int_0^3 |\left(2x-8\right)|\ dx##
##\left(x-8\right)+\ \text{C}##
##\displaystyle = \lim_{x \to 0^{+}} ((x-8)x)=0##
##\displaystyle = \lim_{x \to 3^{-}} ((x-8)x)=-15##
##\displaystyle |-15-0| = 15##


4.) set up an integral expression that would give the volume of the solid created by rotating the region about y = 1, using the disk/washer method:

##\displaystyle \pi \int_0^1 \left(5-x\right)^2-\left(x-3)^2\right)\ dx##


5.) find the volume of the solid by evaluating the integral/integrals in (4.):

##\displaystyle \pi \int_0^1 \left(5-x\right)^2-\left(x-3)^2\right)\ dx##
##=\ -\dfrac{29}{6}\pi##
##\approx 15\ \text{cubic units}##

6.) set up an integral expression that would give the volume of the solid created by rotating the region about y = -2, using the disk/washer method:

##\displaystyle \pi \int_{-2}^1 \left(5-x\right)^2-\left(x-3)^2\right)\ dx##


7.) compute the volume of the solid by evaluating the integral or integrals in (6.):

##\displaystyle \pi \int_{-2}^1 \left(5-x\right)^2-\left(x-3)^2\right)\ dx##
##=\ -\dfrac{27}{2}\pi##
##\approx 42\ \text{cubic units}##
 
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Sociomath said:
Hi,

I just need these solutions checked.
Thank you in advance!

Consider the region bounded by the following curves ##y=x-3, y=5-x, \text{and}\ y=3##:

1.) set up an integral expression that would give the area of the region of y as a function of x:

##y = x-3 = 5-x##
##x + x - 3 - 5 = 0##
##2x-8=0##
##x = 4##
##\displaystyle \int_0^3 |\left(2x-8\right)|\ dx##

2.) set up an integral expression that would give the area of the region of x as a function of y:

##\displaystyle \int_0^5 |\left(5-y\right)|##

3.) compute the area of the region by evaluating one of the expressions in (1.) or (2.):

##\displaystyle \int_0^3 |\left(2x-8\right)|\ dx##
##\left(x-8\right)+\ \text{C}##
##\displaystyle = \lim_{x \to 0^{+}} ((x-8)x)=0##
##\displaystyle = \lim_{x \to 3^{-}} ((x-8)x)=-15##
##\displaystyle |-15-0| = 15##4.) set up an integral expression that would give the volume of the solid created by rotating the region about y = 1, using the disk/washer method:

##\displaystyle \pi \int_0^1 \left(5-x\right)^2-\left(x-3)^2\right)\ dx##5.) find the volume of the solid by evaluating the integral/integrals in (4.):

##\displaystyle \pi \int_0^1 \left(5-x\right)^2-\left(x-3)^2\right)\ dx##
##=\ -\dfrac{29}{6}\pi##
##\approx 15\ \text{cubic units}##

6.) set up an integral expression that would give the volume of the solid created by rotating the region about y = -2, using the disk/washer method:

##\displaystyle \pi \int_{-2}^1 \left(5-x\right)^2-\left(x-3)^2\right)\ dx##7.) compute the volume of the solid by evaluating the integral or integrals in (6.):

##\displaystyle \pi \int_{-2}^1 \left(5-x\right)^2-\left(x-3)^2\right)\ dx##
##=\ -\dfrac{27}{2}\pi##
##\approx 42\ \text{cubic units}##

I would suggest you start over and begin by drawing a picture of the region. You are going to need two integrals using either a dx or dy variable. Also, what bounds the region on the left?
 
Sociomath said:
Hi,

Consider the region bounded by the following curves ##y=x-3, y=5-x, \text{and}\ y=3##:

1.) set up an integral expression that would give the area of the region of y as a function of x:

##y = x-3 = 5-x##
##x + x - 3 - 5 = 0##
##2x-8=0##
##x = 4##
##\displaystyle \int_0^3 |\left(2x-8\right)|\ dx##

You were correct in identifying x=4 as an intersection point, and y = 1 there; but the other two intersection points must occur where y = 3, so x is certainly NOT zero or 3 ! So there is no reason to integrate from 0 to 3 with respect to x.
 
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Thanks LCKurtz and az_lender!

1. ##\displaystyle \int_2^4 \left(3-\left(5-x\right)\right)dx\,+\,\displaystyle \int_4^6\left(\left(3-\left(x-3\right)\right)\right)dx##
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2. ##\displaystyle \int_1^3 ((y+3-(5-y))dy\,=\,\int_1^3 (2y-2))dy##
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3. Using (1.) from above:
##\displaystyle \int_2^4 \left(3-\left(5-x\right)\right)dx\,+\,\displaystyle \int_4^6\left(\left(3-\left(x-3\right)\right)\right)dx##
##=\,\dfrac{x^2}{2}\,+\,C##
##\displaystyle\lim_{x\to 2^{+}} \left(\dfrac{x^2}{2}\right)\,=\,2##
##\displaystyle\lim_{x\to 4^{-}} \left(\dfrac{x^2}{2}\right)\,=\,8##

##\text{From the above}\,=\,8-2\,=\,6##
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4. ##\displaystyle \int_2^4 \pi ((2)^2-((3-(5-x)))^2 dx\,+\,\int_4^6 \pi ((2)^2\,-\,(3-(x-3)))^2 dx##
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5. From (4.) above:
##\dfrac{16\left(1-3\pi\right)\pi}{3}##
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6. ##\displaystyle \int_1^3 \pi \left(6-\left(5-y\right)\right)^2\,-\,\left(6\,-\,\left(y\,+\,3\right)\right)^2dy\
\left(6-\left(5-y\right)\right)^2\,-\,\displaystyle \int \left(6\,-\,\left(y\,+\,3\right)\right)^2dy\
\,=\,4\left(y\,-\,2\right)y\,+\,\dfrac{28}{3}\,+\,C##
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7. From (6.) above:
##\displaystyle\lim_{y\to 1^{+}} (4(y-2))y\,+\,\dfrac{28}{3})\,=\,\dfrac{16\pi}{3}##
##\displaystyle\lim_{y\to 3^{-}} (4(y-2))y\,+\,\dfrac{28}{3})\,=\,\dfrac{64\pi}{3}##

##=\,\dfrac{64\pi}{3}\,-\,\dfrac{16\pi}{3}\,=\,16\pi##
 
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Sociomath said:
1. ##\displaystyle \int_2^4 \left(3-\left(5-x\right)\right)dx\,+\,\displaystyle \int_4^6\left(\left(3-\left(x-3\right)\right)\right)dx##

2. $$ \int_1^3 (y+3)-(5-y)dy$$

Those look correct for the triangular area.
 

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