Finding Cartesian Components Using Cross Product for Magnus Force Calculation

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The discussion revolves around finding the Cartesian components of a vector related to the Magnus force, which is influenced by the velocity and angular velocity vectors of a ball in motion. The original poster is working with vectors expressed in spherical coordinates and seeks guidance on converting these to Cartesian coordinates for further calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of converting the velocity and angular velocity vectors into Cartesian coordinates to perform the vector cross product. There is also a debate about the relationship between the magnitude of the Magnus force and the cross product of the vectors, with some questioning how the magnitude relates to the direction defined by the cross product.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering different perspectives on the relationship between the vectors and the Magnus force. Some guidance has been provided regarding the conversion of coordinates, but there remains uncertainty about the implications of the magnitude in relation to the direction of the force.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of vector representation in different coordinate systems and the implications of trigonometric functions in the context of the Magnus force calculation. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's struggle with the trigonometric aspects of the problem.

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The pure math of the problem:

I have two vectors, both of which are expressed in spherical coordinates. I know the magnitudes as well as the polar and azimuthal angles that express these vectors.

In addition, I have a third vector. I only know the magnitude of this vector, and I need to find its components in Cartesian coordinates. I know that its direction is described by the cross-product of the first two vectors.

The underlying physics:

The two vectors that I know are the velocity and angular velocity vectors of a ball flying through the air. I am trying to find the Cartesian components of the Magnus force, which can be described by (w X v), where v is the velocity vector and w is the angular velocity

In essence, this is a trigonometry problem; nevertheless, I have no idea how to solve it. can anyone lead me in the right direction?
 
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I would write both v and w in Cartesian coordinates to do the vector product.

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I would do that, but the magnitude of the magnus force is not equal to the cross product of the angular velocity and velocity vectors, it is only in that direction.

I need to multiply the magnitude (I have it) by a mess of trigonometric functions.
 
zoner7 said:
I would do that, but the magnitude of the magnus force is not equal to the cross product of the angular velocity and velocity vectors, it is only in that direction.
If you are using the cross product to define a direction, then what does its magnitude have to do with anything? :confused:
 

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