Finding Centroid of 2D Shapes & Parabolas

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The discussion centers around the concept of finding the centroid of 2D shapes, specifically focusing on parabolas. Participants explore the definitions and methods for determining centroids, including the relationship between area and centroid location, while expressing varying levels of comfort with mathematical techniques such as calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the centroid of a 2D shape is found at the intersection of lines that divide the shape into two areas of equal size, expressing a desire to avoid complex calculus for now.
  • Another participant challenges this view, stating that the lines must divide the shape into parts of equal moment about the line, suggesting a misunderstanding of the centroid concept.
  • A participant provides a specific example using the parabola defined by y = x^2, detailing a method to calculate the area under the curve and subsequently the centroid, while expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant requests clarification on how to find the centroid for the parabola example, indicating a need for further explanation or guidance.
  • A later reply references an external resource for calculating the centroid of a parabolic segment, suggesting that there are established methods available.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of the centroid or the method for finding it. There are competing views on the relationship between area and centroid location, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants express varying levels of comfort with mathematical concepts, particularly calculus, which may limit their ability to fully engage with the topic. There is also a reliance on external resources for clarification, indicating potential gaps in understanding.

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I think I'm right when I say that the centroid of a 2D shape is found by the intersection of the lines that separate that shape into two shapes of equal areas.
Is that correct? I don't want to (for now) think about it in terms of moments and integrals, because frankly, it's a little confusing.
It would make sense if that's the case.

Then lastly, say we have a parabola, just a standard y = x^2. It's centroid will be found on the y axis, but the exact value is only able to be determined by calculus. I think I'm correct when I say that a section of parabola (made with a horizontal cut) will be similar to the parabola before the cut. Also as a result of the similarity, a parabola will take up the same amount of space for a given rectangle with vertexes on (0, 0) and (x, y).

Using this definition, we can say that the centroid of a parabola that extends to x = 10, y = 100 is found by this method:

x = 10
y = x^2 = 100
A_{rectangle}= xy = x^3 = 1000

A_{underparabola} = \int_{0}^{10} x^2 dx = 333.3333...

A_{rectangle} - A_{underparabola} = A_{parabola}
1000 - 333.333... = 666.666...

A_{parabola} / A_{rectangle} = P:A = 0.666...

P:A is the ratio this parabola takes of it's envelope rectangle (should be constant for all values of \infty > x > 0
Now the area of the parabola is halved (which gives the area of the lower, parabola shaped section:

666.666... / 2 = 333.333...
333.333... / P:A = A_{smallrectangle} = 500

500 = xy = x^3
x = \sqrt[3]{500}
y = x^2
y = 500^{2/3}

y ~ 63
Centroid = (0, 63)

I'm pretty sure this is correct, but can someone who's a bit more senior confirm for me?
Thanks.
 
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BlackWyvern said:
I think I'm right when I say that the centroid of a 2D shape is found by the intersection of the lines that separate that shape into two shapes of equal areas.
Is that correct?
No. The lines must divide the shape into parts of equal moment about the line.
I don't want to (for now) think about it in terms of moments and integrals, because frankly, it's a little confusing.
Oh well...

Think of it as finding the center of mass of the object.
 
For the parabola example then, how would you do it?
 
BlackWyvern said:
For the parabola example then, how would you do it?
See: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ParabolicSegment.html"
 
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