Finding Critical Points of a Quartic Function: A Scientific Approach

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The discussion revolves around finding the critical points of a quartic function, specifically through solving its derivative, which is a cubic function. Participants explore the complexity of this mathematical problem and seek assistance in understanding and applying the necessary techniques.

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  • One participant presents the derivative of a quartic function as a cubic equation and requests help in solving it for critical points.
  • Another participant references a Wikipedia page on cubic functions, suggesting it contains relevant information for solving the cubic equation.
  • A different participant expresses frustration with the complexity of the cubic equation and indicates a lack of understanding of high-level math, seeking simpler explanations or resources.
  • One participant notes that without specific values for the coefficients (a, b, c, d), the problem remains complicated and cannot be simplified easily.
  • Another participant comments on the overwhelming nature of the resulting formula from the derivative and suggests an alternative approach by graphing the quartic function to identify critical points through data analysis.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and frustration regarding the complexity of the problem. There is no consensus on a straightforward method to solve the cubic equation, and multiple approaches are discussed without resolution.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the generality of the problem, particularly the absence of specific numerical values for the coefficients, which affects the ability to simplify or solve the cubic equation.

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I need this solved for x:
y' = 4ax^3 + 3bx^2 + 2cx + d = 0

This is to say, I need the formula for the "critical points" of a Quartic function.
Wikipedia says: "The derivative of a quartic function is a cubic function."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartic_function

And I found the above derivative here:
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/EMT668/EMAT6680.F99/Glazer/essays/HTML/quartinfsola.html

Any help solving it would be great (it is beyond my ability).
Thanks
 
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No kidding. Tricky is definitely the word for it.

I've previously read and re-read that whole page already, and unfortunately, I'm clueless with any high-level math. So it would be impossible for me to use the general cubic equation as an example for me to do the same math tricks to the above cubic.

I typically Google until I find what I need. Meaning, I need a website to say "this is the formula for XYZ" (and the formula need to be in a form that does not have many Greek letters). Otherwise, I keep searching. It all comes down to: Can I convert it to computer code?

Therefore, any spoon-feeding would be greatly appreciated.
 
If you have no numbers for ##a,b,c,d## then you're stuck with the giant formula I quoted. There is no easy way in this generality.
 
Looking closer at it. That's just crazy.
How can a simple derivative explode into something that big?

I'm just going to "graph" my Quartic's into a data set and then search for highs and lows instead.

Sorry to waste your time.
Thanks anyway.
 

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