How Should I Calculate Curvature for Standard and Vector-Valued Functions?

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The discussion revolves around calculating curvature for functions, specifically y=cos(x) and y=e^x. The user initially attempts to express y=cos(x) as a vector-valued function to apply the curvature formula but questions the validity of this approach. They express uncertainty about the curvature of y=e^x, suspecting that maximum curvature may occur as t approaches infinity due to encountering imaginary roots. A suggestion is made to use an alternative formula for curvature that does not require transforming the function into three-dimensional space. The user acknowledges this new approach and reflects on their previous reliance on vector-valued functions.
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Homework Statement


For the first problem I am asked to find the curvature for y=cosx

We are studying vector value functions so I tried to rewrite this as a vector valued function so I can find the curvature. I just chose r(t)= <t,cost,0>. I found rI(t)=<1,-sint,0> and rII(t)=<0,-cost,0> and used the curvature formula of lv(t)xa(t)l/(lv(t)l^3 to find the curvature...but then I thought that if I had used a different vector valued function such as <t^3,cost^3,0> it would not work out the same so I am not sure how I should tackle this problem now.Second Problem is similar...It is asking "at what point does y= e^x have the maximum curvature" so I tried doing a similar approach as I did in the previous problem (even though I suspect my method is faulty) and got imaginary roots when solving for a point which makes me think the maximum curvature might be as t->infinity but I'm not sure.

I'm having difficulty with the concept of curvature here I think, especially because the function is not already written as a vector valued function (maybe their is a way to deal with this without vector valued functions, I'm not sure.)

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The Attempt at a Solution


Sorry kind of attempted solution in the 1st part...

Thank you[/B]
 
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Austin said:

Homework Statement


For the first problem I am asked to find the curvature for y=cosx

We are studying vector value functions so I tried to rewrite this as a vector valued function so I can find the curvature. I just chose r(t)= <t,cost,0>. I found rI(t)=<1,-sint,0> and rII(t)=<0,-cost,0> and used the curvature formula of lv(t)xa(t)l/(lv(t)l^3 to find the curvature...but then I thought that if I had used a different vector valued function such as <t^3,cost^3,0> it would not work out the same so I am not sure how I should tackle this problem now.Second Problem is similar...It is asking "at what point does y= e^x have the maximum curvature" so I tried doing a similar approach as I did in the previous problem (even though I suspect my method is faulty) and got imaginary roots when solving for a point which makes me think the maximum curvature might be as t->infinity but I'm not sure.

I'm having difficulty with the concept of curvature here I think, especially because the function is not already written as a vector valued function (maybe their is a way to deal with this without vector valued functions, I'm not sure.)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Sorry kind of attempted solution in the 1st part...

Thank you[/B]

You don't have to promote the problem to a three dimensional vector problem. Look at equation 14) here. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Curvature.html
 
Dick said:
You don't have to promote the problem to a three dimensional vector problem. Look at equation 14) here. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Curvature.html
Oh, thanks! Didn't realize there was such a formula. We've just been studying vector valued functions so putting it into 3d and using that formula was all i knew
 
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