Finding Equivalent Resistance Using Symmetry and Kirchhoff's Laws

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The discussion revolves around finding the equivalent resistance in a circuit using symmetry and Kirchhoff's laws. Participants are exploring the complexities of setting up equations based on current flow and potential differences in a symmetrical circuit configuration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply symmetry to simplify the problem but is unsure about the independence of the equations derived. They also mention trying star-delta conversion but find it lengthy. Other participants suggest labeling currents and potentials based on symmetry to derive more equations, questioning whether this approach might yield a clearer path forward.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions and questioning the effectiveness of their approaches. There is recognition of the tedious nature of the calculations involved, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express concern about the length and complexity of the calculations required to apply Kirchhoff's laws effectively. There is an acknowledgment of the potential for multiple interpretations of the circuit's behavior based on symmetry.

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Homework Statement
Twelve resistors form the edges of a cube as shown
in the figure. If the potential difference between
opposite corners A and A' is 18 V, find the equivalent
resistance between A and A'.(Figure is in 'Attempt at a Solution' section)
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By the use of symmetry, I have found that equal currents will flow through opposite edges like A-C and C'A', but still, the use of kirchhoffs current and voltage laws lead to four equations in four variables which I am not able to solve, neither I am sure that the four equations which I have created are independent since I have used symmetry in dividing currents.I have also tried using star delta conversion but its going too long. I think there should be some shorter method to solve this, can anyone please give a hint?(Not complete solution)
 
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I haven't worked it through, so full disclaimer this might not work, but have you tried labelling the currents AB, AC, AD with ##i_1, i_2, i_3## respectively, and also B'A', C'A', D'A' with ##i_1, i_2, i_3## respectively (due to the symmetry you mention), and then labelling the potential of each node in terms of ##V## and ##i_1, i_2, i_3## (where ##V = 18V##)? You should be able to then work out some more currents; that might give you sufficient Kirchhoff current law equations? I'll probably try it tomorrow since I'm a bit tired now...

Let's see if someone has a nicer method :wink:
 
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etotheipi said:
I haven't worked it through, so full disclaimer this might not work, but have you tried labelling the currents AB, AC, AD with ##i_1, i_2, i_3## respectively, and also B'A', C'A', D'A' with ##i_1, i_2, i_3## respectively (due to the symmetry you mention), and then labelling the potential of each node in terms of ##V## and ##i_1, i_2, i_3## (where ##V = 18V##)? You should be able to then work out some more currents; that might give you sufficient Kirchhoff current law equations? I'll probably try it tomorrow since I'm a bit tired now...

Let's see if someone has a nicer method :wink:
I have tried but calculations are very long
 
sktg said:
I have tried but calculations are very long

I think if you follow through the calculations I mentioned you should be able to get at least 3 simultaneous equations from applying Kirchhoff's current law at at least 3 junctions without too much difficulty. It's tedious, perhaps, but such is life sometimes :frown:.
 

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