Finding formula for normal vector of surface

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The problem involves finding the formula for the normal vector of the upper half of a sphere with radius 3 centered at the origin. The context includes evaluating a surface integral involving a constant vector field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using implicit differentiation and the gradient of a function to find the normal vector. There are questions about the appropriateness of the chosen method and the complexity of the resulting expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the correctness of the expressions derived. Some guidance has been offered regarding alternative methods for finding the unit normal vector, but clarity is still sought on these points.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion regarding the surface equation and the implications of using different coordinate systems. Participants are also navigating the constraints of the problem as posed in a homework context.

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Homework Statement



S is surface of upper half of sphere (rad 3) at (0,0,0). Find the formula for n (in Cartesian, spherical, and cylindrical coord syst), then evaluate

[tex]\int\int\textbf{F}\cdot\textbf{n}dA[/tex]

Where F(x,y,z) = k

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The Attempt at a Solution



in a previous problem, if I let z = f(x,y) be the surface and take

[tex]\psi(x,y,z) = f(x,y) - z[/tex]

Since [tex]\nabla\psi[/tex] is orthogonal to the surface on which [tex]\psi[/tex] is constant, then I can use this to get the formula for the normal to the surface.

Problem is, I'm stuck trying to figure out what the formula for the surface is to start with.

A sphere with radius 3 is just x2+y2+z2 = 3

so

[tex]z = 3 - \sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}[/tex]

where 0< x,y < 3

now

[tex]\textbf{n} = \frac{\nabla\psi}{\left\|\nabla\psi\right\|}[/tex]

Am I on the right track? The unit normal vector field gets pretty ugly after this step :-/
 
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It can't be that bad, can it?

BTW, using implicit differentiation then solving for the derivative is often much simpler that solving for the variable and differentiating that.


By the way, surely you know enough about spheres to have an easy way of finding the unit normal?
 
I must have done something wrong because I've gotten something pretty heinous.

[tex]\nabla\psi = -x(x^{2} + y^{2})^{-1/2}\textbf{i} - y(x^{2} + y^{2})^{-1/2}\textbf{j} - \textbf{k}[/tex]

[tex]\left\|\nabla\psi \right\| = (x^{2} + y^{2}) + 1[/tex]
 
I believe that is wrong, but what's so "heinous" about that expression? :confused: The correct one has the same sort of appearance.
 
Maddeningly unhelpful :(

"By the way, surely you know enough about spheres to have an easy way of finding the unit normal? "

Obviously not, can you expound a little?
 

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