Finding Fourier series coefficient a0

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the Fourier series coefficient a0, as well as related calculations such as total power and other Fourier coefficients. The context includes a homework problem with specific values provided for T, W, and A, and participants explore different approaches to compute a0 and the total power of the signal.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially attempts to calculate a0 using the integral formula but believes they have arrived at an incorrect value of 8.5988, which they identify as the amplitude.
  • Another participant suggests that they have resolved their confusion regarding a0 by recognizing that a zero in the denominator leads to infinity, although they express uncertainty about the validity of this reasoning.
  • A participant questions the logic behind the limit of sin(x) as x approaches infinity, indicating a misunderstanding of the concept.
  • One participant mentions using L'Hôpital's rule as a method to find the limit when both the numerator and denominator tend to zero, suggesting it could be useful for calculating a0.
  • Another participant notes that they have found the formula for total power but does not elaborate on it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the correct approach to finding a0, with participants expressing confusion and differing interpretations of mathematical concepts. There are multiple competing views regarding the methods to calculate a0 and total power.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of limits and the use of specific mathematical rules, indicating that some assumptions may be missing or misunderstood. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the calculations involved in Fourier series analysis.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and individuals interested in Fourier series, signal processing, and mathematical techniques for solving related problems.

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Homework Statement



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We're given this 'interactive page' that gives us the values, so T=2.8066, W=0.9542 and A=8.5988 and then told to find a0, b0, a1, b1, a3, b3, Total Power and 3rd harmonic power.

Homework Equations



Cn given above and:
a0=1/T [tex]\int s(t) dt[/tex] integrating from 0 to T.

Also, c0=a0.

The Attempt at a Solution


I can't find a way to use the Cn formula given, since sinc(x)=sin(PIx)/PIx, where x=nfW, and you can see why I can't use it if I want to find c0. So I go to the usual formula for a0, involving the integral, i use that and end up with: a0=8.5988 which is my amplitude and the web page where we have to input our values tells me that I'm wrong. I don't know what I'm doing wrong here?

I can find a1 and a3 easily from the Cn formula (and since Cn=An/2), all the b values=0, since it's an even signal, so I'm stuck with a0?

Also how would I go about to find the total power?

Thanks.
 
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Ok I figured out a0...i just forgot that a zero in the denominator means that the value goes to infinitiy, and the sin of infinity goes to 1..

That leaves the total power then?
 
hyperion4 said:
Ok I figured out a0...i just forgot that a zero in the denominator means that the value goes to infinitiy, and the sin of infinity goes to 1..
That makes no sense.
That leaves the total power then?
What formulas do you have for computing the total power of a signal?
 
^^You're right it doesn't make sense, and it isn't right..I thought that was the limit of sin(x) as x goes to infinity but I forgot that it's actually not defined. But taking that 'reasoning' solved my problem with finding a0.

As for the power of the signal, I figured it out (well I found the formula).
 
If the numerator and denominator of a fraction both tend to zero, you can use L'Hopital's rule to find the limit. This is often useful for finding the a0 coefficient in Fourier series. I believe you can also use a taylor series method to find a0 also.

l'hospital's rule is quite simple to use, so if you haven't tried it it might be worth looking it up.
 

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