Finding Max/Min Values on Parametric Functions

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum and minimum values of the function F(x,y) = 1 - x³ - y² + x³y² along a parametric curve defined by x(t) = t^(1/3) and y(t) = t^(1/2) for t ≥ 0. Participants are exploring methods to approach this optimization problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using Lagrange multipliers to handle the constraint of the parametric curve, while others question the appropriateness of this method. There is also discussion about substituting the parametric equations directly into the function to simplify the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with different methods to solve the problem. Some express confusion about the application of Lagrange multipliers, while others propose a more straightforward substitution approach. There is no explicit consensus on the best method, but productive dialogue is occurring around the different strategies.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the complexity of the problem and the implications of their chosen methods. There is an acknowledgment of the potential difficulties in the calculations involved with Lagrange multipliers.

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Homework Statement


Consider the function F(x,y) = 1 - x3 - y2 + x3y2. Consider the curve C given parametrically as x(t) = t1/3, y(t) = t1/2 for t ≥ 0. Determine the minimum and maximum of F(x,y) along the curve C.

The Attempt at a Solution


I think this is basically a max/min problem with a constraint function, so I will try to use Lagrange multipliers.

Fx = -3x2 + 3x2y2
Fy = -2y + x3*2y

Fx(t1/3,t1/2) = -3t2/3 + 3t5/3 = 1/(3t2/3) * λ
Fy(t1/3,t1/2) = -2t1/2 + 2t3/2 = 1/(2t1/2) * λ

9t4/9 * (-1 + t) = λ
4t1/4 * (-1 + t) = λ

9t4/9 = 4t1/4

t7/36 = 4/9
t = (4/9)36/7

And at this point I'm thinking there's no way this problem is this disgusting. Ideas on where I went wrong?
 
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TranscendArcu said:

Homework Statement


Consider the function F(x,y) = 1 - x3 - y2 + x3y2. Consider the curve C given parametrically as x(t) = t1/3, y(t) = t1/2 for t ≥ 0. Determine the minimum and maximum of F(x,y) along the curve C.

The Attempt at a Solution


I think this is basically a max/min problem with a constraint function, so I will try to use Lagrange multipliers.

Fx = -3x2 + 3x2y2
Fy = -2y + x3*2y

Fx(t1/3,t1/2) = -3t2/3 + 3t5/3 = 1/(3t2/3) * λ
I don't get how you arrived at the last expression. The expression just before it can be factored to 3t2/3(-1 + t)
TranscendArcu said:
Fy(t1/3,t1/2) = -2t1/2 + 2t3/2 = 1/(2t1/2) * λ
I'm not getting what you're doing here, either.
TranscendArcu said:
9t4/9 * (-1 + t) = λ
4t1/4 * (-1 + t) = λ

9t4/9 = 4t1/4

t7/36 = 4/9
t = (4/9)36/7

And at this point I'm thinking there's no way this problem is this disgusting. Ideas on where I went wrong?
 
I arrived at the last expression by setting

Fx(t1/3,t1/2) = -3t2/3 + 3t5/3

equal to the derivative of x(t), which I found to be 1/(3t2/3), and then multiplied by the constant λ, as required by the Lagrange multiplier method. Similarly, I let Fy(t1/3,t1/2) equal y'(t) multiplied by λ. By factoring, as you suggested, I can solve easily for λ, which is what you see above in,

9t4/9 * (-1 + t) = λ
4t1/4 * (-1 + t) = λ

However, I don't think this method is the proper way to go about answering the problem, since it gives a rather peculiar answer, namely t = (4/9)36/7
 
Personally, I wouldn't use Lagrange multipliers- it seems to me much easier just to substitute the values of x and y in terms of t. With x= t^{1/3} and y= t^{1/2}, F(x,y)= 1- x^3- y^2+ x^3y^2=1- t- t+ t^2= t^2- 2t+ 1= (t-1)^2. Now, you don't even need to differentiate!
 

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