Finding perpendicular unit vector using inner product

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The discussion revolves around finding a unit vector that is perpendicular to the vector (1,1) using a specific inner product defined for vectors in R2. The inner product is given by a matrix multiplication involving the vectors' components.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the inner product and the concept of perpendicularity, questioning how to apply the inner product to find a perpendicular unit vector. Some suggest setting the inner product of (1,1) with another vector to zero to find dependencies between components.

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Several participants have provided insights on how to approach the problem, emphasizing the need to use the specific inner product rather than the standard dot product. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and implications of perpendicularity in the context of the given inner product.

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Participants express confusion about the connection between the inner product and finding a perpendicular unit vector, indicating a need for clarification on the definitions involved. The discussion includes references to the generalization of the dot product and the specific calculations required to determine unit length under the defined inner product.

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Homework Statement


You are given that with x = (x1,x2), y = (y1,y2), the formula

(x,y) = [x1 x2] [2 1;1 2] [y1;y2] (where ; represents a new row).

is a inner product for the vectors in R2

Using this inner product, find a unit vector perpendicular to the vector (1,1)

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't particularly understand what a perpendicular unit vector has to do with the inner product, I can find a perpendicular unit vector in the normal dot product way however I don't know how to find one using the inner product, any help would be much appreciated,

Thanks in advanced
 
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Two vectors are perpendicular if their inner product is equal to zero. The dot product is a common example of an inner product, but there are many others. Two vectors might be perpendicular when using one inner product, but perhaps not using another inner product. So just try taking the inner product of (1,1) with a vector (x1, x2) and setting the result equal to zero to come up with some dependency of x1 in terms of x2. Then you can just choose a value for x2 and TADA! you have a perpendicular vector. After that you can scale it to unit length (don't forget that you have a new inner product here! You should completely forget about the dot product during this problem).
 
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zecuria said:

Homework Statement


You are given that with x = (x1,x2), y = (y1,y2), the formula

(x,y) = [x1 x2] [2 1;1 2] [y1;y2] (where ; represents a new row).

is a inner product for the vectors in R2

Using this inner product, find a unit vector perpendicular to the vector (1,1)

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



I don't particularly understand what a perpendicular unit vector has to do with the inner product, I can find a perpendicular unit vector in the normal dot product way however I don't know how to find one using the inner product, any help would be much appreciated,

Thanks in advanced

Just work things out. Supposed p=(1,1) and the perpendicular unit vector is u=(u1,u2). Then, in terms of your inner product, to have u perpendicular to p means (u,p)=0, and u being a unit vector means (u,u)=1. Work both of those out in components and try to solve the resulting equations.
 
zecuria said:

Homework Statement


You are given that with x = (x1,x2), y = (y1,y2), the formula

(x,y) = [x1 x2] [2 1;1 2] [y1;y2] (where ; represents a new row).

is a inner product for the vectors in R2
So the inner product is
\begin{bmatrix}x_1 & x_2 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}2 & 1 \\ 1 & 2 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}y_1\\ y_2\end{bmatrix}= 2(x_1y_1+x_2y_2)+ (x_1y_2+ x_2y_1)


Using this inner product, find a unit vector perpendicular to the vector (1,1)

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I don't particularly understand what a perpendicular unit vector has to do with the inner product,
Really? The definition of "perpendicular" in terms of an inner product is that the inner product of two perpendicular vectors is 0.

I can find a perpendicular unit vector in the normal dot product way however I don't know how to find one using the inner product, any help would be much appreciated,
An "inner product" is just a generalization of "dot product". Here, with (x_1, y_1)= (1, 1) the inner product with (x, y) is 2((1)x+ (1)y)+ ((1)x+ (1)y)= 3x+ 3y= 0 which is the same as saying y= -x. Any vector perpendicular to (1, 1) is of the form (x, -x). Now you want to make that a "unit vector" by dividing by its length. Of course, you determine the length using that inner product: the length of a vector v is \sqrt{(v, v)}. The inner product of (x, -x) with itself is 2((x)(x)+ (-x)(-x))+ ((x)(-x)+ (-x)(x))= 2(x^2+ x^2)+ (-x^2- x^2)= 2x^2. Set that equal to 1 and solve for x.

Thanks in advanced
 
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