Finding points of intersection

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The discussion revolves around finding points of intersection between a hyperbola and a line, as well as converting a hyperbola equation into standard form. Participants engage in verifying calculations and clarifying definitions related to hyperbolas.

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  • Participants share their calculations for finding intersection points and converting hyperbola equations. Questions arise regarding the correctness of these calculations and the definitions of hyperbolas versus parabolas.

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Some participants have provided guidance on calculations and definitions, while others are exploring different interpretations of the hyperbola's standard form. There is an ongoing dialogue about the accuracy of the derived equations and the implications of their forms.

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the parabola equation is:
(x^2/25) - (y^2/9) = 1

the line is y = 4-x

according to my calculations, if i point y - 4-x into the equation, i get
-16x^2 + 200x - 175 = 0. is that right so far?

~Amy
 
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physicsgal said:
the parabola equation is:
(x^2/25) - (y^2/9) = 1

the line is y = 4-x

according to my calculations, if i point y - 4-x into the equation, i get
-16x^2 + 200x - 175 = 0. is that right so far?

~Amy

No, it's not correct. =.="

Can you show us how you get there?

I get: -16x2 + 200x - 625 = 0.

Btw, that's definitely not a parabola equation. Instead, it's a hyperbola equation. :smile:
 
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thanks

i meant to say hyperbola :shy:


i have 8 lines of work and my typing numbers is slow.. so here's part of my calculations:

x^2/ 25 - (4-x^2)/ 9 = 1

225(x^2/25) - 225 ((4-x)^2/9) = 225(1)
9x^2 - 25(16 - 4x - 4x + x^2) = 225
9x^2 - 25(16 - 8x + x^2) = 225
9x^2 - 400 + 200x - 25x^2 = 225

i see my mistake now :smile: thanks

and then after i do the quadratic equation, i end up with x = 6.25, so y= -2.25. and that's my only intersection.

~Amy
 
Yeah, looks good. Congratulations. :)
 
if you don't mind.. one more hyperbola question:

4x^2 - y^2 + 8x + 4y + 16 = 0
what is this in standard form?

in standard form:
(x+1)^2/4 - (y-2)^2/16 = 1

does that look accurate?

~Amy
 
physicsgal said:
if you don't mind.. one more hyperbola question:

4x^2 - y^2 + 8x + 4y + 16 = 0
what is this in standard form?

in standard form:
(x+1)^2/4 - (y-2)^2/16 = 1

does that look accurate?

~Amy

You can try to expand that and see if you get the same as the initial form :)
 
thanks. i expanded it and got:
4x^2 - y^2 + 8x + 4y + 4 = 0

so.. either something went wrong when i was expanding, or the standard form i figured out is incorrect?

~Amy
 
you are very close altough, if you do it again properly and careful :) i promise.
 
so there was something wrong with my expanding?

~Amy
 
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"if you don't mind.. one more hyperbola question:

4x^2 - y^2 + 8x + 4y + 16 = 0
what is this in standard form?"

You said, then you gave:

" (x+1)^2/4 - (y-2)^2/16 = 1"

as the normal form of the first equation you gave;
and when this is expand, you get:

4(x^2 + 2x + 1) - (y^2-4y + 4) = 16 ->
4x^2 + 8x + 4 - y^2 + 4y - 4 = 16 ->
4x^2 + 8x - y^2 + 4y - 16 = 0

right?

try:

-[(x+1)^2]/4 + [(y-2)^2]/16 = 1

expand:

-4[x^2 +2x+1] + [y^2 - 4y + 4] = 16 ->
4[x^2 +2x+1] - [y^2 - 4y + 4] +16 = 0 ->
4x^2 + 8x + 4 - y^2 + 4y - 4 + 16 = 0 ->
4x^2 - y^2 + 8x + 4y + 16 = 0
 
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k thanks :)

but could i write that as:
[(x+1)^2]/4 + [(y-2)^2]/16 = -1

(i don't think its standard form to have a "-" infront of the equation)

and for this one, b^2 = 16 ?
(i have to do other calculations)
~Amy
 
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Well as you said, having a minus in front of the "1" is not standard form. So why do you want to do that?
 
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physicsgal said:
k thanks :)

but could i write that as:
[(x+1)^2]/4 + [(y-2)^2]/16 = -1

Nope, you can't. However, you "can" write it as:

[(x+1)^2]/4 - [(y-2)^2]/16 = -1

(i don't think its standard form to have a "-" infront of the equation)

Yes, you can write it like that, but it's definitely not a standard form.

and for this one, b^2 = 16 ?
(i have to do other calculations)
~Amy

[(y-2)^2]/16 - [(x+1)^2]/4 = 1

Note that it's a North-south opening hyperbola, your b2 = 4. :)
 
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thanks for the help guys :o). I am finished the course (just have to do the exam). :)

~Amy
 

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