Finding Solutions for Simultaneous Equations Involving Trigonometric Functions

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The problem involves solving a system of simultaneous equations with trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on the values of the parameter \( a \) that allow for solutions in the variables \( x \) and \( y \). The equations are structured with cosine and sine terms, leading to a discussion about the conditions under which solutions exist.

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  • Participants explore various methods for solving the equations, including substitution and examining the determinant of the system. There are questions about the implications of trigonometric coefficients and the conditions under which solutions are defined.

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Some participants have proposed potential values of \( a \) that may lead to undefined solutions, while others are questioning the algebraic manipulations and interpretations of the results. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to understand the problem better, with no clear consensus on the correct interpretation yet.

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Participants note that the range of \( a \) is from 0 to \( \pi \), and there is a specific interest in identifying values that lead to division by zero or other undefined behaviors in the equations. The original poster expresses frustration over the lack of definitive answers for the problem set.

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Homework Statement



The simultaneous equations in x,y
(cos a)x - (sin a) y = 2
(sin a)x + (cos a)y = 1

are solvable
a) for all values of a in the range 0 < a < pi
b) except for one value of a in the range 0 < a < pi
c) except for two values of a in the range 0 < a < pi
d) except for three values of a in the range 0 < a < pi
(NB the range is supposed to include 0, I don't have that character on my keyboard)

Homework Equations


possibly trig identities though I haven't found a way to use these! otherwise just normal methods for solving simultaneous eq.

The Attempt at a Solution


I got as far as:

cos a = (1 - x sin a)/y (sub into first eq)

x(1 - x sin a)/y - y sin a = 2 (multiply by y)

(y^2 sin a) + 2y - x - (x^2 sin a) = 0

sin a = (x-2y) / (y^2 - x^2)
which I think tells me that sin a cannot equal zero, as this would involve dividing by zero on the RHS? Although come to think of it I'm not sure it tells me that anyway... and it doesn't tell me anything about other values of a as far as I can tell.
Any ideas? Thanks.
 
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I think that you're paying far too much attention to the fact that you have trigonometric coefficients. This is a system of linear equations in the variables x and y. Why are you solving for the coefficients? Solve for x and y. Then look and see where the solutions you get are defined.
 
Ok.. I now get
y = cos a - 2 sin a
x = 2sec a + sin a - [2 (sin^2 a )/cos a]

which I think are definable as long as cos a doesn't equal zero, which is when a = pi.

So the answer is b)...?
I don't have any answers for these questions.. kinda annoying cos there's quite a few I'm stuck on. (and have no idea if the ones I have got an answer for are even right)
 
When does cos a = 0?
 
Stupid mistake.. when a = pi/2 or 3pi/2. So its c.. sorry!
 
Let's try another way. What's the determinate of the system? For what values of a is it zero? There's a mistake being made in the algebra somewhere and I'm not in the mood to sort it out.
 
I've gone over the algebra and pretty sure its right.. not saying how I've interpreted it is though.

when x is zero, a = arctan (-2)
when y is zero, a = arctan (2)
y and x cannot both be zero

Sorry if I'm being really dense but this doesn't seem to mean anything except that if a does not equal arctan (+/- 2) the graph of these would not cross the y/x-axis.
I feel like I'm just approaching this completely wrong way- its not supposed to take forever so there must be something I'm missing.
 

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