Finding specified partial derivatives

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The discussion revolves around finding specified partial derivatives, focusing on the evaluation of an expression involving variables x, y, and z, which are defined in terms of r and s. Participants are attempting to clarify the process of substituting values into the derived expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct sequence for substituting values for r and s into the expression. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of x, y, and z, and questions arise regarding the accuracy of the final computed values compared to an answer guide.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the substitution process and questioning the correctness of the answer guide. Multiple interpretations of the substitution order are being explored, and there is a recognition of potential discrepancies in the provided answers.

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There are constraints regarding the visibility of images that contain relevant information, and participants are working with the assumption that r and s have specific values. The accuracy of the answer guide is also under scrutiny, as it has been noted to contain errors in the past.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I follow the steps until I get to 2(x+y+z)(1 - sin(r+s) + cos(r+s))

The actual derivation process isn't the problem, I get lost in trying to figure out when to plug values for r and s.
 

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images loaded fine for me...
anyhow, you have done everything correctly thus far. just plug the given values for s and r into the final expression 2(x+y+z)(1 - sin(r+s) + cos(r+s))

you will never go awry if you always plug in given values last
 
paradigm said:
images loaded fine for me...
anyhow, you have done everything correctly thus far. just plug the given values for s and r into the final expression 2(x+y+z)(1 - sin(r+s) + cos(r+s))

I'm guessing this is after I replace x,y,z with their respective functions, correct?

edit: Negative. I did that and got 0 as an answer. According to the answer guide (back of the book), the correct answer is 13.
 
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yes, I'm sorry, i should have specified... plug in x,y,z and then s, r
 
paradigm said:
yes, I'm sorry, i should have specified... plug in x,y,z and then s, r

That's not correct though, I get 6(0) = 0, correct answer should be 13.
 
i'm currently unable to view the images you attached... what were x,y, and z again?

EDIT: i recall r and s being 1 and -1, right? if that's the case (1 - sin(r+s) + cos(r+s) should be equal to (1 - sin0 + cos0) = (1 - 0 +1) = 2, not zero..
 
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x = r - s
y = cos(r+s)
z = sin(r+s)
 
so if r was 1 and s was -1, then you should have 2(2+1)(2) = 12... but you say the answer was 13?
 
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paradigm said:
so if r was 1 and s was -1, then you should have 2(2+1)(2) = 12... but you say the answer was 13?

Yeah, that's what I got too. But then again, the answer guide has been known to be wrong on more than a couple of occasions. Disregard further posts, and thanks for your help.
 

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