Finding Tension and w2: Solving for Angle Alpha

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The discussion revolves around a tension problem involving cables and forces, specifically focusing on finding the tension T and the weight W2 in a given diagram. The original poster expresses difficulty in determining the angle Alpha, which is crucial for solving the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for additional context regarding the problem setup and question the assumptions about the movement of the weight. The original poster attempts to use geometry and algebra to find angle Alpha but struggles with the available information.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the equations needed to analyze the forces, while others highlight the issue of having two equations with three unknowns, suggesting the problem may be underdetermined. There is acknowledgment of a missing piece of information regarding the value of T, which was later revealed by the professor.

Contextual Notes

The problem is constrained by the lack of complete information in the original setup, specifically regarding the angle Alpha and the conditions of the weight's movement. The professor's oversight in providing the value of T adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Find Tension T and w2 in each cable in diagram.
Diagram: http://i52.tinypic.com/8z33ub.jpg (i drew this in paint, sorry if it looks bad)

Homework Equations


only basic algebra is needed

The Attempt at a Solution



To find T and w2 i need to find angle Alpha but i cannot seem to come up with a way to be able to find it. I have looked at geometry books to try to solve the angle using the other angle given but it is not possible for me. Once i get alpha i will be able to solve for T and W2 but finding angle alpha has proven to be impossible for me.
 
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The problem needs more context. However, if the weight is free to move, then it will be in the center which will give equal angles.
 
It is not free to move and that's the only information given and our professor expects us to solve. The T line is 40 degrees from horizontal axis, the W2 line is alpha degrees, it is a tension problem so the lines cannot stretch or bend, all the Forces just have to have net of 0.

The exact directions on the sheet with the diagram are "Find the tension T and W2 in each cable in the diagram below"
 
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to find the Net x Force for T or W2 i know this equation is to be used:
(-) T cos 40 + W2 Cos Alpha = 0

And when it comes to the Net y Forces, this equation is used:
T sin 40 + W2 sin alpha = 220

but my problem is still finding that alpha, after i do i can just substitute and solve. But so far, that alpha has eluded me.
 
So the problem here is that you have two equations and three unknowns, which makes the system underdetermined. I don't know what to tell you. If this is the only information you have the problem is simply unsolvable.
 
as it turns out the T = 110, our professor told us he forgot to include that. :<
 

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