Finding the 4th Roots of -16: Cartesian vs. Polar Form

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the 4th roots of -16, specifically in both Cartesian and polar forms, and plotting these roots in the complex plane. The problem involves understanding complex numbers, particularly their modulus and argument.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to determine the modulus (r) and argument (θ) of -16 in the complex plane. There are questions about the correct placement of -16 and its representation in both forms. Some participants suggest drawing the complex plane and calculating the necessary values, while others engage in clarifying the argument's value.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the argument and modulus of -16. Some guidance is provided regarding the relationship between the argument and the position of -16, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct values or methods to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the values of r and θ, and there is a focus on the implications of the argument being zero versus pi. The discussion reflects a mix of assumptions and interpretations regarding the properties of complex numbers.

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Homework Statement


Compute the 4th roots of -16 in both Cartesian and polar form and plot their positions in the complex plane.


Homework Equations


z^1/n=(r^1/n)(e^i(theta)/n), (r^1/n)(e^i(theta)/n)(e^i2(pi)/n...


The Attempt at a Solution


How do I find the value of r, and theta??
 
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Draw z=-16 in the complex plane. The distance from the origin to -16 in the complex plane is r and the angle between the positive real axis and the negative real axis rotating counter clock wise is [itex]\theta[/itex].
 
How do I draw -16 in the complex plane, when I don't know r or theta?
 
Draw the the complex plane and put a dot where -16 is. Then calculate the distance and angle.
 
where is -16?
 
Do you know where -16 is on the line of real numbers?
 
are you saying that the argument is zero and that the modulus is 16?
 
The modulus is 16, but the argument is not 0. If the argument was 0 -16 would be placed on the positive real axis, which it clearly isn't.
 
okay so you think the argument in pi
 
  • #10
that's not right
 
  • #11
why are you wasting my time?
 
  • #12
Wasting your time? Why would that not be right? You may want to provide some arguments to why this is wrong.

Either way I can tell you that I am not wrong. Perhaps review the the relevant equation you posted before jumping the gun?
 
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  • #13
Beacause the answer is apparently 2e^i((pi + 2kpi)/4) where K=0,1,2,3

that's why it wouldn't be right.
 
  • #14
seboastien said:
Beacause the answer is apparently 2e^i((pi + 2kpi)/4) where K=0,1,2,3

that's why it wouldn't be right.

So ...take one of these numbers (say the k=0 one), convert it to Cartesian form, and take its 4th power. You can then check for yourself whether it is right.
 
  • #15
Beacause the answer is apparently 2e^i((pi + 2kpi)/4) where K=0,1,2,3

that's why it wouldn't be right.

It is obvious that every multiple of 2pi added to the original argument will return you to that exact same spot, after all a circle is exactly 2pi radians.
 

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