Curvilinear n&t motion question engineering mechanics

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the motion of a pin constrained to move in a circular slot while also moving downward with a constant velocity. Participants explore the calculations related to the pin's acceleration, addressing the use of different coordinate systems and the implications of their mathematical derivations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster describes their approach to finding the acceleration of the pin, using a coordinate system based on x and y instead of the suggested normal and tangential coordinates.
  • They provide a detailed calculation process, including the time taken for the pin to reach a specific position and the equations derived for x and y coordinates.
  • One participant points out that the initial poster forgot to attach a diagram that is crucial for understanding the problem.
  • Another participant critiques the initial poster's derivation, specifically questioning the accuracy of the calculated position x at a given time, suggesting that it should be 11.4 mm instead of 17.83 mm.
  • This same participant recommends deriving the position function twice to find the acceleration as a function of time, rather than relying on the earlier calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial poster's calculations. Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the derived values and the approach taken, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the initial poster's assumptions and calculations, particularly regarding the accuracy of the derived position and the implications for subsequent calculations of acceleration.

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Homework Statement



A pin is constrained to move in a circular slot of radius 39mm. At the same time a slotted bar also constrains the pin to move down with constant velocity 8mm/s. (as shown in attached diagram).

What is the magnitude of the acceleration of the pin for the position shown?

Homework Equations



NB: instead of using n&t as hinted as suggested, I used x and y coordinate system

The Attempt at a Solution



time taken for pin to move to position:

[39mm x sin(73)] / 8 mm/s = 4.6619... seconds

position of pin is:

x = 39 - sqrt(39^2 - 8^2*t^2)
so
x = 39 - sqrt(1521 - 64t^2)
y = -8t

pin's velocity is downward hence, it's acceleration is due to sideways movement: (x direction):

x^2 - 2*39*x = -64t^2 **

taking differential of **:
2*x*dx/dt - 2*39*dx/dt = -128t ***taking differential of ***:
2*dx/dt + 2x*d^2x/dt^2 - 2*39*d^2x/dt^2 = -128 ****

Now, substitute t=4.6613.. into ** to get x = 17.83... mm

then substitute x and t values into *** to get dx/dt = 14.0959... mm/s

then substitute dx/dt into **** to get d^2x/dt^2 = 2.05515...mm/s^2therefore,

answer: 2.055185 mm/s^2

However, my answer is wrong and I have no idea why?

thank you for any help you can give me
 
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Hi kasthuri, I don't know if I could help you but you apparently forgot to actually attach the "attached diagram" :)
side question: are you familiar with the lagrangian formalism ?
 
Sorry and thanks for telling me! I've attached it on my reply
Also, I don't know about the lagrangian formalism.
:)
 

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Hi, Katsthuri, sorry for my silly question about the lagrangian, I thought you were resolving a different kind of problem and I didn't read your whole post to well since the picture wasn't available
your (**) is wrong, first.
if you are just going to look for derivatives it could not matter too much, but apparently later you use it to find x at the given instant.
I don't follow well you derivations, but one thing is sure, you found the wrong x.
You have correctly expressed x as a function of t
x=39-√(1521-64t²)
you know the position is at t=4.6619, if you plug t there, you won't get x=17.83 but x=11.4, so there you have your first problem.
Now, since you have x(t), why don't you just derive it twice to have the x acceleration as a function of t and then plug in 4.6619 ?

Cheers...
 

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