Finding the antiderivative for fractions?

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The discussion revolves around finding antiderivatives, particularly focusing on fractions and their manipulation in integration. The original poster expresses confusion about applying antiderivative concepts to fractional expressions, specifically in the context of integrals involving variables and constants.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the correctness of initial antiderivative calculations and the importance of including an arbitrary constant. Questions arise about simplifying fractions before integration and the implications of canceling terms in integrals. The original poster also reflects on their understanding of the relationship between derivatives and antiderivatives.

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Some guidance has been provided regarding the handling of constants and the application of the power rule. The conversation indicates that participants are exploring different interpretations of the problems presented, with no explicit consensus reached on all points. The original poster acknowledges their confusion and expresses a desire for further clarification.

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The original poster mentions feeling overwhelmed by the concept of antiderivatives involving fractions, indicating a potential gap in understanding that is being addressed through the discussion. There is also a reference to bounded integrals, which may suggest additional constraints or considerations in the problems being discussed.

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Finding the antiderivative for fractions?

Hello,

I get antiderivatives and the idea behind them. But I still don't really comprehend how to apply it towards a fraction.

We know that \int (\frac{1}{x}) dx = ln|x|

So would the antiderivative of \int (\frac{4}{x}) dx = 4(ln x) ?

But here is a fraction I just am not sure where to start?
\int (\frac{4}{3x^2}) dx


Any help would be greatly appreciated. :smile:
 
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Your first antiderivative is correct. You should probably add an arbitrary constant unless the question asks for an antiderivative.


For the second one you can factor out constants and then use the power rule.

<br /> \int {\frac{4}{{3x^2 }}} dx = \frac{4}{3}\int {\frac{1}{{x^2 }}} dx = \frac{4}{3}\int {x^{ - 2} dx} <br />
 
Thanks Benny. I'm glad you mentioned the arbitrary constant. I forgot about that. I just get easily confused when it comes to taking the antiderivative of fractions. So let's say I had a problem like:

\int \frac{4x}{x}dx

Could I say that the x's cancel so I'd be left with \int 4dx which would equal 4x? This however doesn't make sense. Because the derivative of 4x would be 4.

So since I'm seeing that my first choice answer wouldn't be correct. I don't know what to do. LOL Could I take out the 4x?
 
BlackMamba said:
Thanks Benny. I'm glad you mentioned the arbitrary constant. I forgot about that. I just get easily confused when it comes to taking the antiderivative of fractions. So let's say I had a problem like:
\int \frac{4x}{x}dx
Could I say that the x's cancel so I'd be left with \int 4dx which would equal 4x? This however doesn't make sense. Because the derivative of 4x would be 4.
So since I'm seeing that my first choice answer wouldn't be correct. I don't know what to do. LOL Could I take out the 4x?


There is no need to take out the 4x. You are corrrect that the x's will cancel out leaving you with the integral of 4dx. This will give you 4x + c unless of course it integral is bounded.

The derivative of 4*x is 4. So it is true that what you said is all equal.

what you are probably not seeing is dv = 4dx. and so you take the integral of both sides and that equals v = 4x.

the derivative however would be dv/dx = 4x = 4.

Does this help?
 
Somewhat. I do have more questions, but they will have to be asked/answered possibly tomorrow. Thanks to the both of you for helping me out. :smile:
 

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