Finding the Coefficient of friction

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The problem involves a sled being pulled along a horizontal surface with a specific mass and tension in the rope at an angle. The objective is to find the coefficient of friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of forces involved, including the normal force and frictional force, using trigonometric components. There are questions about the method of finding the coefficient of friction and the accuracy of calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations, while others are exploring different interpretations of the problem setup. There is a recognition of potential errors in calculations, but no consensus on the correct approach has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the distinction between mass and weight, as well as the application of different methods in high school physics. Participants are also reflecting on the differences in approaches between grade levels.

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Homework Statement



A 135 kg sled is being pulled along a horizontal surface at a uniform speed by means of a rope making an angle of 19.3 degrees with the horiontal. If the tension in the rope is 119 N Find the Coefficient of friction.

Homework Equations



u=Ff/Fn

The Attempt at a Solution


I have never done a question like this before but i fugured i probably had to find the force from the horizontal..im not sure if i did it right but i used trig to find that force and i got 112.3 N i then put that in the formula U=112.3/135 and i got 0.8319 but I really have no idea if i did it right.
 
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You are correct. [tex]\mu F=F_{f}[/tex] so the ratio of the 2 must be the coefficient of friction. I also checked and our numbers match.
 
djeitnstine said:
You are correct. [tex]\mu F=F_{f}[/tex] so the ratio of the 2 must be the coefficient of friction. I also checked and our numbers match.

Awsome...Thanks
 
But don't forget that the weight of the block is not 135 N; its mass is 135 Kg. Also, the normal force fron the weight is offset by the upward component of the pulling force.
 
HI i don't really get how u get u=112.3/135
do you use the component method?
here are my calculations...please tell me if they are right
y components
Fnet=Tensiony +Fnormal - Forcegravity
0 =119*sin19.3 + Fnormal -135*9.8
Fnormal= 135*9.8 -119*sin19.3
=1362.33N
Ff=1362.33*u
x components
Fnet= Fappx-Ff
135*a=119cos19.3 - 1362.33
0=119Cos19.3 - 1362.33 (because constant velocity, so acceleration= 0)
U=119Cos19.3/1362.33
=0.0824

I am in grade 12 and I understand tht grade 12 and grade 11 methods are different, but please tell me what i did wrong and why i am not getting the right answer. THank you
 
cad8 said:
HI i don't really get how u get u=112.3/135
do you use the component method?
here are my calculations...please tell me if they are right
y components
Fnet=Tensiony +Fnormal - Forcegravity
0 =119*sin19.3 + Fnormal -135*9.8
Fnormal= 135*9.8 -119*sin19.3
=1362.33N
Ff=1362.33*u
x components
Fnet= Fappx-Ff
135*a=119cos19.3 - 1362.33
0=119Cos19.3 - 1362.33 (because constant velocity, so acceleration= 0)
U=119Cos19.3/1362.33
=0.0824

I am in grade 12 and I understand tht grade 12 and grade 11 methods are different, but please tell me what i did wrong and why i am not getting the right answer. THank you

You are on the right track i had my teacher explain it to me and the answer is actually 0.0874
 
cad8 said:
HI i don't really get how u get u=112.3/135
do you use the component method?
here are my calculations...please tell me if they are right
y components
Fnet=Tensiony +Fnormal - Forcegravity
0 =119*sin19.3 + Fnormal -135*9.8
Fnormal= 135*9.8 -119*sin19.3
=1362.33Nyou made a simple math error here that carries through the rest of the problem[/color]
Ff=1362.33*u
x components
Fnet= Fappx-Ff
135*a=119cos19.3 - 1362.33
0=119Cos19.3 - 1362.33 (because constant velocity, so acceleration= 0)
U=119Cos19.3/1362.33
=0.0824

I am in grade 12 and I understand tht grade 12 and grade 11 methods are different, but please tell me what i did wrong and why i am not getting the right answer. THank you
see note above on math error; otherwise your method is very good.
 
thanks guys...appreciate your help
 

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