Finding the Directional Derivative of a Multivariable Function

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The discussion revolves around finding the directional derivative of the multivariable function z=2x^2-y^3 at the point (1,1). Participants are exploring the relationship between the gradient and the directional derivative, as well as the need for a specified direction.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the distinction between the gradient and the directional derivative, questioning how to properly compute the directional derivative without a specified direction. There are attempts to clarify the need for a unit vector in the calculation.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculation process and the requirements for finding the directional derivative. There is recognition of the necessity to normalize the direction vector, but no consensus on the specific direction to use has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem lacks a specified direction for the directional derivative, which is essential for completing the calculation. There is also mention of the need to consider unit vectors in the context of the directional derivative.

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find the directional derivative of z=2x^2-y^3 at (1,1)

is it just <4,-3>
 
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That's the gradient. It's not a directional derivative. You can use the gradient to find directional derivatives, but it's not one by itself.
 
so then how would you go about finding it because where not comparing it with another point... is it just 1
 
Punkyc7 said:
so then how would you go about finding it because where not comparing it with another point... is it just 1

The directional derivative at (1,1) is the derivative of f(x,y) in some direction. You need to specify the direction to find the directional derivative. Suppose I told you the direction is <u,v>. What's the directional derivative in that direction?
 
u-1, v-1 and you would dot that with our gradient
 
we would have to make those unit vector though
 
Punkyc7 said:
u-1, v-1 and you would dot that with our gradient

Ok, if (u,v) is a point and you want the directional derivative in the direction which is the difference between (1,1) and (u,v), then sure, it's <u-1,v-1>.<4,-3>. If you are just given the direction <u,v>, I'd say it's <u,v>.<4,-3>. Since they didn't give you a direction I'm not sure what they are asking.
 
Punkyc7 said:
we would have to make those unit vector though

If that's your definition of directional derivative, then absolutely, normalize them. The point is that all you can say is that it is the dot product of the gradient with the direction.
 

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