Finding the distance of a sagging mass on rope using tension

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The problem involves a mass hanging from a massless rope and the calculation of the distance by which the rope sags in the middle due to tension. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically tension and forces in equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the tension in the rope to the angle and sag distance using trigonometric functions. Some participants question the use of tangent and suggest using sine instead, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the geometric relationships involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing alternative approaches and questioning the assumptions made by the original poster. There is a suggestion to reconsider the trigonometric function used in the calculations, which may lead to a different outcome.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a visual representation, which may hinder the understanding of the geometric setup. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their approach and seeks clarification on their calculations.

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Homework Statement



An object of mass m = 3.5 kg hangs from the middle of a (massless) rope of length L =17 m, as the drawing illustrates. It is being pulled with tension T =55 N. Calculate the distance D by which the rope sags in the middle


Homework Equations



F[tex]_{net}[/tex] = ma

D = length of sagging rope

L/2 = 8.5 meters

The Attempt at a Solution



So, because the rope is being pulled with a tension of 55 N to keep the object at a certain distance, the tension throughout the string with the mass is 55 N.

I made theta my angle with the horizontal, which is the value I'm trying to find.

The mass is balanced out evenly in the middle, so the two y components of the rope (2Tsin[tex]\Theta[/tex]) would have to equal the weight of the mass, mg.

I have all the variables except for theta, so solving for theta, I get a value of 18.1688 degrees.

I have the length of the rope, 8.5 meters, and the angle, 18.1688 degrees, so I can use tan [tex]\Theta[/tex] = D/8.5

solving for D, I got 2.78954 meters, which was not right.

So, anyone has an idea what I did wrong or how my approach was incorrect?
 
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Without a picture, I think you are using tan theta when you should be using sin theta.
 
PhanthomJay said:
Without a picture, I think you are using tan theta when you should be using sin theta.

Sorry for not having a picture, but I set my theta to be the angle at the top right. Imagine that there was an upside down obtuse triangle, with the mass in the middle, and the angle is the one that is horizontal to the triangle.

Sorry again that I don't have a picture, but can anyone help? I don't know what it is I did wrong.
 
Try [tex]sin \theta = D/8.5[/tex] and see if that works. I think the 8.5 m length of rope is measured along the diagonal. D is the vertical 'height' (sag) of your upside down obtuse triangle.
 

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