Finding the explicit solution and the Interval of Validity

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The discussion focuses on finding the explicit solution to the differential equation $tyy' - 1 = 0$ with the initial condition $y(1) = 4$, as well as determining the interval of validity for the solution. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of conditions for validity.

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  • One participant proposes the explicit solution $y = \sqrt{2\ln(t) + c}$, applying the initial condition to find $C = 4$.
  • Another participant suggests that the interval of validity can be derived from the condition $2\ln(t) + 4 > 0$, leading to $1/e^2 < t < \infty$.
  • A different participant suggests using $c = 16$ for the explicit solution, resulting in $y = \sqrt{2\ln(t) + 16}$, and discusses the condition $2\ln(t) + 16 \ge 0$.
  • There is a proposal that the interval of validity could be $\frac{1}{e^8} \le t < \infty$ based on the derived conditions.
  • Another participant clarifies that for negative values of $t$, a different constant of integration can be used, indicating that solutions may vary based on the sign of $t$.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate constant of integration and the resulting intervals of validity. There is no consensus on a single interval of validity, as multiple interpretations and conditions are presented.

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Participants note that the interval of validity is dependent on the chosen constant of integration and the conditions imposed by the logarithmic function, which introduces uncertainty regarding the exact intervals applicable for different cases.

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Find the explicit solution to $tyy' − 1 = 0$, $y(1) = 4$ and give the interval
of validity.

$ty \frac{dy}{dt} - 1 = 0$

$y \frac{dy}{dt} - 1 = 0$ ==> $ydy - {1/t} dt = 0$

$ydy = 1/t dt$

$\frac{y^2}{2} = ln(t) + c$$y = \sqrt{2ln(t) + c}$

applying $y(1) = 4$

so the explicit solution is:
$C = 4$
But I'm not sure how to get the interval of validity?
 
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so for the interval of validity I got

$2ln(t) + 4 >0$

$1/e^2 < t < \infty$

so $\sqrt{C} <=> C$ right? since $C$ is just some arbitrary constant??
 
Hi Shamieh,

Let's pick $c=16$, otherwise it won't fit.
That makes the explicit solution $y=\sqrt{2\ln t + 16}$.
And let's pick $2\ln t + 16 \ge 0$ (including equality).

Btw, any $y=\pm\sqrt{2\ln(-t)+C_2}$ is also valid in combination with the solution you've found.
 
Thanks Serena,

That being the case...would that imply that my Interval of Validity is: $\frac{1}{e^8} \le t < \infty$ ?
 
shamieh said:
...That being the case...would that imply that my Interval of Validity is: $\frac{1}{e^8} \le t < \infty$ ?

Yes...we require:

$$\ln|t|+8\ge0$$

And so we see that $t\ne0$ and:

$$e^{-8}\le|t|$$

And so we must pick from:

$$\left(-\infty,-e^{-8}\right]\,\cup\,\left[e^{-8},\infty\right)$$

the sub-interval containing $t=1$ which is $\left[e^{-8},\infty\right)$.
 
MarkFL said:
$$\ln|t|+8\ge0$$

For negative t we can have a (any) different constant of integration...
 

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