Finding the Fourier Series of a periodic rectangular wave

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The discussion revolves around finding the Fourier series of a periodic rectangular wave, specifically addressing the phase angle \(\phi_{n}\) for even values of \(n\) and the implications of the coefficients \(a_{n}\) and \(b_{n}\) in the Fourier series representation. Participants are exploring the mathematical reasoning behind these coefficients and their values.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why \(\phi_{n}\) equals \(-\pi\) for even \(n\) when the argument of the arctan function is undefined, suggesting it should be \(\pi/2\) instead.
  • Another participant points out a potential inconsistency in the submitted solution, noting that if \(\tan^{-1}(b_{n}/a_{n}) = -\pi\) for all even \(n\), then \(b_{n}\) must be zero, which contradicts the calculated value of \(b_{2}\).
  • A later reply suggests starting over with the Fourier series representation and provides the general form of the coefficients \(a_{n}\) and \(b_{n}\) along with integration limits, emphasizing the importance of retaining the signs of \(a\) and \(b\) when calculating \(\psi_{n}\).
  • Participants discuss the behavior of \(b_{n}\) for even \(n\), noting that it approaches zero for certain values while remaining non-zero for others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the value of \(\phi_{n}\) for even \(n\) and the implications of the coefficients. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on how to interpret the phase angle and the coefficients.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions regarding the coefficients \(a_{n}\) and \(b_{n}\), particularly concerning their values for even \(n\) and the implications for the phase angle \(\phi_{n}\). The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the correctness of the submitted solution.

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Homework Statement


The problem/question is attached in the file called "homework". In the third signal (the peridic rectangular wave), I am requested (sub-question b) to find the Fourier series of the wave.

Homework Equations


The file called "solution" presents a detailed solution to the problem. What I don't understand is why the phase (page 2 in that "solution" document) [itex]\phi_{n}[/itex] equals [itex]-\pi[/itex] for even values of [itex]n[/itex]. What I know is that when the argument of the arctan function is undefined (since it's divided by 0), it means that the angle is [itex]\pi/2[/itex], because only then the tan would be undefind! So why [itex]\phi_{n} = -\pi[/itex] then? does someone have an idea?
I do understand the [itex]\pm\pi[/itex] addition for the odd values of [itex]n[/itex] (i.e [itex]n=3,7,11,...[/itex]), but that [itex]\phi_{n} = -\pi[/itex] is not completely clear to me (and quite annoying to be honest...:rolleyes:).

The Attempt at a Solution


Couple of hours of thinking, going back to the basics of polar representation of numbers in the x-y plane (in fact, it's the [itex]a_{n}-b_{n}[/itex] plane here) but nothing practical really... any suggestions?
Thanks! :-p
 

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Something wrong here somewhere.

If tan-1(bn/an) = -π for all even n then bn = 0 for all even n. But b2 = 2Vm/πn sin^2(nπ/4) = Vm/π ≠ 0.

So there is something wrong with the submitted solution.
 
rude man said:
Something wrong here somewhere.

If tan-1(bn/an) = -π for all even n then bn = 0 for all even n. But b2 = 2Vm/πn sin^2(nπ/4) = Vm/π ≠ 0.

So there is something wrong with the submitted solution.

Thanks for responding rude man.
So would you then consider [itex]n=\pi/2[/itex] as a solution for [itex]\phi_{n}[/itex] for all even n? or maybe you suggest a different solution?
The way I see it, for all even n you have [itex]a_{n}=0[/itex] and [itex]b_{n}[/itex] has a value which gets lower as n grows, but also [itex]b_{n}=0[/itex] for [itex]n=0,4,8,...[/itex].

How would you fix the submitted solution?
 
Adir_Sh said:
Thanks for responding rude man.
So would you then consider [itex]n=\pi/2[/itex] as a solution for [itex]\phi_{n}[/itex] for all even n? or maybe you suggest a different solution?
The way I see it, for all even n you have [itex]a_{n}=0[/itex] and [itex]b_{n}[/itex] has a value which gets lower as n grows, but also [itex]b_{n}=0[/itex] for [itex]n=0,4,8,...[/itex].

How would you fix the submitted solution?

I guess I would just start over:

V(t) = a0/2 + Ʃ{ancos(nωt) + bnsin(nωt)} from n = 1 to ∞.

Your an coefficients are

an = (Vm/π)∫cos(ωt)d(ωt) from 0 to π/2
bn = (Vm /π)∫sin(ωt)d(ωt) from 0 to π/2

Notice that d(ωt) = ωdt. It's easier to integrate w/r/t ωt rather than t. So the limits of integration change from 0 → T/4 to 0 → π/2.

To express this series in the form V(t) = a0/2 + Ʃcncos(nωt - ψ) from n = 1 to ∞,

cn = √(an2 + bn2)
and ψn = tan-1(bn/an).

This is all standard textbook stuff.

In computing ψ be sure to retain the signs of a and b separately. For example, if a = 1 and b = -2, tan-1(1/-2) ~ π - 0.46 whereas if a = -1 and b = 2, tan-1(-1/2) ~ -0.46. These angles are different and are separated by π.

Happy computing!
 

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