Finding the instantaneous velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating instantaneous and average velocities based on a provided graph. The original poster poses several questions regarding these calculations and the nature of the object's motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate instantaneous velocity at specific times using distance traveled and time. They question whether their understanding of average velocity versus instantaneous velocity is correct. Some participants suggest using the slope of the tangent line for instantaneous velocity and discuss the concept of derivatives.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some providing guidance on how to approach the calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but some feedback indicates that the original poster's understanding may need refinement.

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Participants note the lack of access to the graph due to approval issues, which may impact the discussion. The original poster's reliance on a hand-drawn graph is also mentioned, suggesting potential limitations in accuracy.

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Homework Statement



The questions refer to the attached graph

Q1 - calculate the instantaneous velocity of the object at time 2.5s

Q2 - calculate the instantaneous velocity of the object at time 7.5s

Q3- calculate the average velocity over the time of 7.5s

Q4- Is the motion of the object uniform or non-uniform?


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The Attempt at a Solution



ANS 1: At 2.5s the object has traveled 4m, I am asumeing this means that at this time the instantaneous velocity is 4m per 2.5 sec witch then needs to be written in ms or kph?

ANS 2: same theory as above?

ANS 3: At 7.5 seconds the object has traveled 18.5m, to find the average I assume I divide the distance by time? but does this give me average speed not velocity? :S

ANS 4: I am saying non-uniform because the graph is not straight so the velocity and varies over the time
 

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[tex]v = at + v_0[/tex]

Does that help any? I can't see your graph due to the pending approval thing .
 
sorry that's doesn't really help :S maybe you could explain what variables the letters represent?

here is a link to the graph

http://www.appendixj.org.au/mystuff/physics.jpg
 
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frequin said:
sorry that's doesn't really help :S maybe you could explain what variables the letters represent?

here is a link to the graph

http://www.appendixj.org.au/mystuff/physics.jpg

The a stands for acceleration, t for time and v_0 for initial velocity, but from the looks of your graph, it's irrelevant. Anyway...

Your answer to Q1 isn't quite right. The instantaneous velocity at any time is the slope of the tangent line at that time. It seems you only have a (rather poor) hand drawn graph, so you'll essentially be guessing at what the tangent is, but just taking the total distance up to that time and dividing by the time took is average velocity, not instantaneous velocity.
 
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Manually take the derivative.

To take a derivative at a point, you take a secant through the point and one very close to it and then find the slope of the secant, which is approximately the same as the slope of tangent line at that point.

When you take the limit where the distance between the two points reaches 0, you get the actual derivative at that point, the slope of the tangent line.

Physically, you can approximate it by taking a ruler and just measuring [tex]\frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}[/tex] and then take the limit as [tex]\Delta x \rightarrow 0[/tex]
 
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ok so here is my attempt at the first part of the question, please correct me if I am wrong!
 

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anyone?
 
it looks correct at first glance.
 

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