Finding the intial velocity using vectors

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The problem involves determining the minimum initial velocity required for a fire hose to hit a target on a building, given an initial velocity and angle of projection. The context is within the subject area of projectile motion and vector analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion for the projectile and express uncertainty about how to isolate the initial velocity. There are suggestions to use the horizontal motion to find the time to reach the target and then apply that to the vertical motion equation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting the use of specific trigonometric values and the formation of a quadratic equation. However, there is also expressed frustration regarding the complexity of the math involved, indicating a mix of understanding and confusion among participants.

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Participants note the challenge of the calculations involved and the potential for quadratic solutions, highlighting the difficulty in managing the algebraic manipulation required to solve for the unknown velocity.

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Homework Statement


a fire hose sprays water with an initial velocity of 40ft/s at an angle of 60 degrees to the horizontal. Find the minimum initial velocity to hit a point on a building 15 feet to the right and 16 feet up.



The Attempt at a Solution


these are my equations but i feel like I am missing something b/c I am not sure how i would solve for velocity
r(t)=(z*cos60)T i + (z*sin(60))-16t^2) j
r'(t)=z*cos60) i + (z*sin(60)-32T) j
r''(t)=-32j
 
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shemer77 said:

Homework Statement


a fire hose sprays water with an initial velocity of 40ft/s at an angle of 60 degrees to the horizontal. Find the minimum initial velocity to hit a point on a building 15 feet to the right and 16 feet up.

The Attempt at a Solution


these are my equations but i feel like I am missing something b/c I am not sure how i would solve for velocity
r(t)=(z*cos60)T i + (z*sin(60))-16t^2) j
r'(t)=z*cos60) i + (z*sin(60)-32T) j
r''(t)=-32j

Your equations look OK, with z as the unknown velocity. Use the x equation to figure out when it will have traveled the 15 feet to the wall. Plug that time into the y equation and see what z must be to make y = 16. And put the exact values of cos(60) and sin(60) in those equations.
 
thats a lot easier said than done, are you sure that's the way to do it? b/c that math is just ugly and terrible
 
shemer77 said:
thats a lot easier said than done, are you sure that's the way to do it? b/c that math is just ugly and terrible

Yes, I'm sure. You wind up with a quadratic equation in the unknown z. A few square root signs in the answer never hurt anybody.
 

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