Vector Projectile Problem (Calculus III)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a golfer attempting to hit a golf ball into a hole located horizontally 390 feet away and 40 feet above the starting point. The initial speed of the ball is given as 150 ft/s, and the discussion centers around determining the angle of projection required for the ball to reach the hole, while considering the effects of gravity on its trajectory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the velocity and position functions for the projectile motion, questioning the integration process and the relationship between the variables involved. There is an exploration of how to set the position function equal to the target coordinates and the implications of having both angle and time as variables.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the integration of the velocity function and the need to express the position in terms of a single variable. Some guidance has been offered regarding the elimination of time from the equations to focus on the angle of projection.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating the equations of motion and the implications of the projectile's trajectory under the influence of gravity. There is a noted confusion regarding the correct application of variables and the integration process.

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Homework Statement


A golfer stands 390 ft (130 yards) horizontally from the hole and 40 feet below the hole. Assuming the ball is hit with an initial speed of 150 ft/s, at what angle should it be hit to land in the hole? Assume the path of the ball lies in a plane
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Homework Equations



Force of gravity:
a(t) = <0, -32>
32 feet/sec^2 will be the force of gravity)

Integrating a(t) gives us v(t), the velocity function.

Velocity function:
V(t) = <0, -32t> + <Initial Velocity in X Direction, Initial Velocity in Y Direction>

The Attempt at a Solution



1. I obtain the vector valued function for the velocity of the ball. Let's call that v(t). We know that after the ball is launched, there are no forces acting on the ball in the x-direction, but there is gravity acting on the ball in the y-direction. Thus, the y-component of the vector will be -32t, and the x-component will be 0. The initial velocity vector will be the x and y-components of the initial speed of 150 ft/sec, which will be 150cos(θ), and 150sin(θ), respectively.

v(t) = <0, -32t> + <150cos(θ), 150sin(θ)>
v(t) = <150cos(θ), 150sin(θ)-32t>

2. I obtain the vector valued function for the position of the ball by integrating the velocity function. Let's call the position function p(t):

p(t) = <150sin(θ), -150cos(θ)-16t^2> + <Initial Position on X-Coord, Initial position on Y-Coord>

Let's assume the golfer is at the origin, so that the initial position vector is <0,0>.

Thus, p(t) = <150sin(θ), -150cos(θ)-16t^2> + <0, 0> = <150sin(θ), -150cos(θ)-16t^2>

3. Now, do we set the position function equal to the vector <390, 40>, and somehow solve for theta? Any advice on how exactly I can do that?
 
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You are not integrating over θ so the position function you have is wrong.

But, yes, you would then set i equal to the vector <390,40> to see what you get for θ
 
This makes me even more confused. I will have to somehow switch my variables from t to theta?
 
FallingMan said:
This makes me even more confused. I will have to somehow switch my variables from t to theta?
When you integrated your velocity equation, you seemed to have integrated one component wrt θ and the other by t. Position is the integral of velocity wrt time, so you should integrate all components wrt t.
 
CAF123 said:
When you integrated your velocity equation, you seemed to have integrated one component wrt θ and the other by t. Position is the integral of velocity wrt time, so you should integrate all components wrt t.

I see. I should integrate the velocity equation with respect to t, not theta.

v(t) = <150cos(θ), 150sin(θ)-32t>

Then:

p(t) = <150tcos(θ), 150tsin(θ) - 16t^2>

However, setting the equation equal to <390, 40> doesn't really seem to make sense because I have both theta and t. Do I need to get t out of the equation and make it entirely in terms of theta? How do I go about that?
 
FallingMan said:
I see. I should integrate the velocity equation with respect to t, not theta.

v(t) = <150cos(θ), 150sin(θ)-32t>

Then:

p(t) = <150tcos(θ), 150tsin(θ) - 16t^2>

However, setting the equation equal to <390, 40> doesn't really seem to make sense because I have both theta and t. Do I need to get t out of the equation and make it entirely in terms of theta? How do I go about that?
Yes, you can equate ##\underline{P}(t)## to ##\langle 390, 40 \rangle##. This will give two scalar equations and if you eliminate t between the two equations, you can get ##P_y = 40 = P_y(\theta)##, I.e the displacement in the vertical direction as a function of the angle projected, which you can solve.
 

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