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The discussion revolves around identifying a specific law related to forces and pressure, particularly in the context of opening a door under water. Participants explore the principles of fluid mechanics and the forces involved in this scenario, including references to relevant equations and concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks the name of a specific law and related formulas but does not identify it.
  • Another participant discusses the application of F = ma in the context of opening a door against varying forces, using a hypothetical scenario involving a child and Olympic lifters to illustrate the concept of force and strength.
  • Pressure is defined as force per unit area, with a focus on the forces acting on a car door submerged in water, including the effects of external water pressure and internal pressure as water fills the car.
  • A suggestion is made to use the Bernoulli equation to analyze water pressure, alongside atmospheric pressure and the area of the hatch.
  • A formula f = P * a is presented, likely relating to force, pressure, and area.
  • The topic is identified as related to fluid mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific law or formula, and multiple viewpoints regarding the forces and pressures involved remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific law being referenced and the conditions under which different forces apply. The discussion includes various assumptions about strength and pressure without resolving these aspects.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring fluid mechanics, force dynamics, and pressure-related phenomena in practical scenarios.

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Tried looking for the law with a web search but couldn't quite figure out what the law was. I would like to know the name of the law and any formulas relating to it. I plan to read up on it in the Wiki dictionary, but I need to know what it is called first.
 
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I don't think there's a specific 'law' that says you can't open the door, but you can use F = ma (sort of).

Think of it this way: can you push open the bathroom door if your 5-yr-old cousin is outside trying to hold it shut? Probably yes, because you are a lot stronger than your 5-yr-old cousin. OTOH, could you push the bathroom door open if three Olympic lifters were standing outside, all trying to hold the door shut and keep you in? Probably not, because they would be stronger than you.

Pressure is just force per unit area, so for a car under water, you can think of a large force vector pushing the door IN while you are trying to push OUT. As water starts to fill the car, a vector grows in the other direction: water pressure inside the car starts to push OUT. As the pressures inside and outside the car get closer to each other, the net force (sum of the forces IN and OUT) gets closer and closer to zero, so you have less and less to push against. Obviously, when the forces are equal, you don't have any resisting force to push against, so the door comes open easily. However, at some point, the net force on the car door will look more like your 5-yr-old cousin is trying to hold it shut than like three Olympic lifters are, and you will be able to open the door (even when the pressure inside and outside aren't exactly equal).
 


a good place to start would be the bernoulli equation to determine the water pressure, then you need the atmospheric pressure inside and the area of the hatch.
 


Fluid mechanics
 

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