Finding the Length of a Vector using Inner Products and Circles

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The discussion revolves around finding the length of a vector using a specific inner product defined as <(x,y),(x,y)> = 5x^2 + y^2. Participants are exploring the implications of this inner product on the geometry of the resulting equation, particularly in relation to circles.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equation for the length of the vector and questions whether it represents a circle. Other participants raise concerns about missing terms and suggest that the equation may change the shape of the circle.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical expressions and questioning the correctness of the derived equations. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the impact of mixed terms on the geometry of the problem, with suggestions for further exploration, such as rotation of the plane.

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There appears to be some uncertainty regarding the completeness of the equations being used, particularly concerning the presence of mixed xy-terms and their influence on the shape of the resulting figure.

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Mostly I'd like to look at the third part of the problem. I'm not sure if this is the correct way to derive the equation:

So, finding the length of a given vector given this inner product:
[itex]<(x,y),(x,y)> = 5x^2 + y^2[/itex].

Taking the length, we have

[itex]|(x,y)| = \sqrt{5x^2 + y^2}[/itex], which we define as equaling 1. Squaring both sides we find,

[itex]5x^2 + y^2 = 1[/itex]. I think this is the equation of the circle, but I'm not sure. If it is, then my picture has y-intercepts at 1,-1 and x-intercepts at -sqrt(1/5),sqrt(1/5).

Is this correct?
 
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I think you're missing some terms from the length:

<(x,y),(x,y)>=5x2+2(xy+yx)+y2
 
Whoops. You're right. My real equation is [itex]5x^2 -2(xy+xy) +y^2 =1[/itex]. This changes shape of the circle (it's more elongated in quadrants I and III now), but the intercepts remain the same I think. No?
 
I think if you do a rotation of the plain, you may be able to get rid of the mixed xy-terms.
 

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