Finding the Magnitude of Velocity v in Applied Mathematics

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The discussion revolves around finding the magnitude of velocity in the context of applied mathematics, specifically focusing on the position vector of a particle and its derivatives to determine speed. Participants explore the definitions and calculations related to velocity and speed in a three-dimensional space.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants attempt to derive the velocity vector from the position vector and discuss the calculation of speed as the magnitude of this velocity. Others question the method of determining derivatives and the implications of defining position in terms of functions of time.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and calculations involved in determining speed from velocity. Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the mathematical expressions, while others are still questioning the assumptions and methods used in the derivation process.

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Participants note the importance of knowing the functions for x, y, and z in order to compute the speed vectors accurately. There is also mention of the need to convert Cartesian integrals to polar coordinates, indicating a broader mathematical context in the discussion.

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Given that a particle P in space would have position vector r(t)= xi + yj + zk,we can find its velocity v(t) by determining dy/dx of r(t) and even go further to computing the speed v given by the magnitude of v(t).

With that being the case. If the magnitude of the speed v is defined, what would its magnitude be, and what would we call it ?
 
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v(t)=r'(t)=i+j+k so magnitude is square root of 3. You would call it what ever the units are. Kilometers per min, miles per hour, etc.
 
paile said:
Given that a particle P in space would have position vector r(t)= xi + yj + zk,we can find its velocity v(t) by determining dy/dx of r(t) and even go further to computing the speed v given by the magnitude of v(t).

With that being the case. If the magnitude of the speed v is defined, what would its magnitude be, and what would we call it ?

I think you have to know the values of x, y and z as functions of time to determine the
speed vectors sx, sy and sz. Then the speed of the particle is given by

Sp\ =\ \sqrt{sx^{2}(t)+sy^{2}(t)+sz^{2}(t)}

Measure its magnitude with the Physical property (example: meter/second).
 
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paile said:
,we can find its velocity v(t) by determining dy/dx of r(t)

You don't determine \frac{dy}{dx} - at least, not if y was defined as you orginally put. I.e. the if position is:

\textbf{r}(t) = x\textbf{i} + y\textbf{j} + z\textbf{k}}

where x(t), y(t) and z(t) are functions of time, then the velocity is:

\textbf{v}(t) = \textbf{r'}(t) = \frac{d}{dt\textbf{r}(t) = \frac{dx}{dt}\textbf{i} + \frac{dy}{dt}\textbf{j} + \frac{dz}{dt}\textbf{k}

The magnitude of this is usually what is termed the speed, the speed will be:

|\textbf{v}(t)| = |\textbf{r'}(t)| = \sqrt{(\frac{dx}{dt})^2 + (\frac{dy}{dt})^2 + (\frac{dz}{dt})^2

If you take the next time-derivative, you get the acceleration:

\textbf{a}(t) = \textbf{v'}(t) = \textbf{r''}(t) = \frac{d^2}{dt^2}}\textbf{r}(t) = \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}\textbf{i} + \frac{d^2y}{dt^2}\textbf{j} + \frac{d^2z}{dt^2}\textbf{k}

Does this make things any clearer?
 
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it makes clear sense!
 
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I came across this problem, where I have to change a double Cartesian integral into an equivalent double Polar integral and then i am told to evaluate. The region R bounding the double Cartesian integral is R = {(x^2 + y^2): -1 <= x <= 1 and -(1-x^2)^(1/2) <= y <= (1-x^2)^(1/2) }. Then I found that -secz <= r <= secz, z=theta, which are the limits of integration for dx. Question is how do I find the limits of integration for dy? this is where my difficulty lies.
 

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