Finding the max height of a ball launched as a projectile using work-energy

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum height of a ball launched as a projectile using the work-energy principle. Participants are exploring the relationship between initial speed, launch angle, gravitational acceleration, and maximum height.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy approach to derive the maximum height, questioning the correctness of their energy equations and the use of trigonometric functions. There is an exploration of whether to break the initial velocity into its components or to use it in its entirety.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the use of trigonometric functions in the energy equations. There is acknowledgment of a misunderstanding in previous attempts, and a corrected expression for maximum height has been shared, though the discussion continues without a definitive consensus on the best approach.

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Participants are grappling with the correct application of the work-energy principle and the implications of using trigonometric identities in their calculations. There is a focus on ensuring that all components of the energy equation are accurately represented.

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A ball is launched as a projectile with initial speed v at an angle theta above the horizontal. Using conservation of energy, find the maximum height h_max of the ball's flight.
Express your answer in terms of v, g, and theta.

My energy equation is as follows:

0.5m(v^2)cos(theta) +0.5m(v^2)sin(theta) = 0.5m(v^2)cos(theta) + mgh_max

v^2cos(theta) + v^2sin(theta) = 2gh_max + v^2cos(theta)
h_max = (v^2sin(theta))/2g

This isn't right, somehow. I know that the only velocity at max height is in the x-direction, so max height should be a sine function, right? Did I forget to include something in my energy equation?
 
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ph123 said:
A ball is launched as a projectile with initial speed v at an angle theta above the horizontal. Using conservation of energy, find the maximum height h_max of the ball's flight.
Express your answer in terms of v, g, and theta.

My energy equation is as follows:

0.5m(v^2)cos(theta) +0.5m(v^2)sin(theta) = 0.5m(v^2)cos(theta) + mgh_max

v^2cos(theta) + v^2sin(theta) = 2gh_max + v^2cos(theta)
h_max = (v^2sin(theta))/2g

This isn't right, somehow. I know that the only velocity at max height is in the x-direction, so max height should be a sine function, right? Did I forget to include something in my energy equation?
Looks like you forgot to square the trig functions. At the top of the flight, for example, the KE is
[tex]KE = 1/2m(vcos\theta)^2[/tex]. Also, in the initial case, you don't have to break v into its x and y components. You can just use 1/2mv^2 and get the same result.
 
thanks! i got


h_max = (v^2sin^2(theta))/2g

You actually cleared up a big confusion for me in general. I always was using v^2trig(theta) in lots of problems and never understood what was going wrong.
 
ph123 said:
thanks! i got


h_max = (v^2sin^2(theta))/2g

You actually cleared up a big confusion for me in general. I always was using v^2trig(theta) in lots of problems and never understood what was going wrong.
Yes, that is correct, and better than my suggestion to not break up v_initial into its components. In which case you would get, not to confuse you,
[tex]1/2mv^2 = mgh_{max} + 1/2m(vcos\theta)^2[/tex]
[tex]v^2 = 2gh_{max} + (vcos\theta)^2[/tex]
[tex]h_{max} = (v^2 - (vcos\theta)^2 )/2g[/tex]
[tex]h_{max} = (v^2(1 - (cos\theta)^2)/2g[/tex]
[tex]h_{max} = (v^2sin^2\theta)/2g[/tex]
which is a bit more tedious than your approach.
 

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