Finding the nth derivative of a function

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The discussion revolves around finding a formula for the nth derivative of the function f(x) = x^(1/3). Participants are exploring the characteristics of the derivatives, particularly focusing on the coefficients and the pattern of the derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to identify a general formula for the nth derivative, noting the alternating signs and the exponent structure. Some are rewriting the fourth derivative in different forms to discern a clearer pattern, while others are questioning the complexity of working with fractional powers and coefficients.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various attempts to express the derivatives in different forms. Some participants have suggested expressing powers and coefficients in fractional form to clarify the pattern. There is a recognition of the challenges involved in maintaining clarity while working with symbolic factors.

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Participants have noted that the problem may be more manageable when expressed in a general form, such as f(x) = x^p, before substituting specific values for p. This approach is suggested to avoid confusion with numerical values during calculations.

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Homework Statement


I'm trying to find a formula for the nth derivative for the function f(x)=x1/3

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that it has alternating signs so it start with (-1)n+1 and I know the exponent for it is x(1/3-n) but I'm having a hard time figuring out the coefficient of x.

For the fourth derivative I have 1/3(1/3-1)(1/3-2)(1/3-3)x(1/3-4)The example our teacher gave us was x-1 which was much easier in my opinion...
 
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Try expressing the powers and the coefficients in a fractional form while taking derivatives and see if the pattern becomes clearer that way.
 
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I rewrote it three different ways and I'm still having a hard time seeing the complete pattern.

I'm using the fourth derivative: f4(x)=(1/3)(-2/3)(-5/3)(-8/3)x-11/3
and: f4(x)=(1/3)(1/3-1)(1/3-2)(1/3-3)x-11/3
and:f4(x)=(1/3)(1/3-3/3)(1/3-6/3)(1/3-9/3)x-11/3

So far I have fn(x)=(-1)n+1(?/3n)x1/3-n
 
TheRainMan713 said:

Homework Statement


I'm trying to find a formula for the nth derivative for the function f(x)=x1/3

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that it has alternating signs so it start with (-1)n+1 and I know the exponent for it is x(1/3-n) but I'm having a hard time figuring out the coefficient of x.

For the fourth derivative I have 1/3(1/3-1)(1/3-2)(1/3-3)x(1/3-4)The example our teacher gave us was x-1 which was much easier in my opinion...

IMHO it is much easier to work with the general form ##f(x) = x^p##, then take ##p = 1/3## after all the work is finished.

The reason it is easier is that you have symbolic factors such as ##p - 1##, ##p-2,## etc. and by keeping them symbolic you can keep straight the different "effects". For example, if you see a number like ##-2## somewhere in your calculation, it is not easy to know if it really is a ##``-2"## or a ##``-1 - 3/3"## or ##``-6/3"##---and sometimes that matters a lot when you want to look at more terms, etc. By keeping everything in terms of ##p## there is never any chance of confusion.
 

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