Finding the period of this trig function

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The discussion revolves around finding the period of the trigonometric function f(x) = sin(3x) * cos(3x). Participants explore various approaches to determine the period, including comparisons to zero and the use of trigonometric identities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the period by setting sin(3x) and cos(3x) to zero and questions whether using trigonometric identities is necessary. Other participants suggest using product-to-sum formulas and express interest in deriving the period mathematically.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing different methods to find the period of the function. Some have provided guidance on using identities, while others are exploring the implications of periodicity in relation to transformations of trigonometric functions. There is a lack of explicit consensus on the best approach, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints such as the need to prove the period mathematically and the implications of different forms of trigonometric functions on their periods. There is also a reference to homework rules that may limit the methods available for solving the problem.

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f(x)=sin3x*cos3x

i am looking for the period of this function,
what i did, and now i see that it is wrong was compared it to zero and looked for any time that

sin3x=0 or cos3x=0

this really did give an answer for every time the function reached 0, but did not take into account that once i get 0+ and once i get 0-, how do i find the period?

what i did
sin3x=0 or cos3x=0
x=K*pi/3 or x=pi/6 + K*pi/3

then i got
T=pi/6

do i need to use trig identities to bring it to a function of just sin or cos?? which identities?
 
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How about sin(2a)=2*sin(a)*cos(a)? More generally you can use product to sum formulas like sin(a)*cos(b)=(1/2)*(sin(a+b)+sin(a-b)).
 
now what do i do to find the period? what do i compare it to
1/2*sin(6x)=1/2 ?
sin(6x)=1
6x=pi/2
x=pi/12

not right,

mathematically how do i ptove that the period is pi/3
 
sin(x) has period 2pi, right? For sin(6x), 6x goes from 0 to 2pi (one period) while x goes from 0 to 2pi/6. 2pi/6 is pi/3.
 
okay i understand that, but is there no way to get to this with equations, for example, i had another question to find period for cos^2(x)

so i said
cos^2(x)=cos^2(0)=1
now how long will it take to return to 1
cos^2(x)=1
cos(x)=+-1
x=0+2pi*K or x=pi + 2pi*K
x=[0 pi 2pi 3pi...]
T=pi

how would you solve this like you solved the sin, using cos(x) has a period of 2pi,
 
I would use product forms to write cos(x)^2 as a sum of sines and cosines, like I said in the first post. cos(x)^2=(cos(2x)+1)/2. The '2x' part is what determines the period.
 
so only the actual trig function makes any difference, the peiod of cosx is the same as, (4*cos(x) +2) for eg??
 
Sure. Isn't that pretty easy to see? Imagine plotting it.
 
"so only the actual trig function makes any difference, the peiod of cosx is the same as, (4*cos(x) +2) for eg?? "

Yes, a function is periodic with period T iff (d^n)f(x)/(dx^n) = (d^n)f(x + T)/(dx^n) for all n (including zero, where the zeroth derivative is interpreted to mean the original function). At least that's my understanding... someone may please correct me if I'm in error.
 
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AUMathTutor said:
"so only the actual trig function makes any difference, the peiod of cosx is the same as, (4*cos(x) +2) for eg?? "

Yes, a function is periodic with period T iff (d^n)f(x)/(dx^n) = (d^n)f(x + T)/(dx^n) for all n (including zero, where the zeroth derivative is interpreted to mean the original function). At least that's my understanding... someone may please correct me if I'm in error.

Being periodic has nothing to do with being differentiable. T is a period of a function f if f(x)=f(x+T) for all x. The period of f is the smallest such value of T.
 

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