Finding the transfer function for this circuit

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The discussion revolves around finding the transfer function for a specific circuit using Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) and Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL). Participants explore the necessary currents and voltages in the circuit, as well as the implications of various assumptions and circuit configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about which currents to use for KVL and how to find the currents I1 and I3 in the circuit.
  • Another participant requests clarification on specific circuit details, such as the meaning of the symbol "μ" and whether values for it or other components are provided.
  • Questions are raised about whether the transfer function should be expressed in terms of Vc and Vi or in terms of R, s, and C, indicating a potential difference in approach.
  • Concerns are mentioned regarding the placement of the ground symbol in the circuit and its impact on using the node-voltage method.
  • A participant suggests using KCL instead of KVL, describing their preference for bookkeeping and outlining a method to isolate the voltage Vc.
  • Another participant shares a link to a resource on Sallen-Key topology, potentially to provide additional context or methods relevant to the discussion.
  • One participant reports successfully solving the problem after redrawing the circuit more clearly, indicating progress in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing preferences for using KVL versus KCL, and there is no consensus on the best approach to take for solving the problem. Additionally, several questions remain unanswered regarding circuit details, indicating unresolved aspects of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of specific circuit parameters and configurations, which may affect the approach to finding the transfer function. There are also mentions of assumptions regarding voltage and current values that have not been clarified.

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Homework Statement
As shown below.
Relevant Equations
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Transformed circuit:
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Using KVL,

Now, I am unsure about the current to use KVL in this case.
As far as equation goes:
Vi(s) =(I1*R)+(I3*R)+Vc(s), where Vc(s) = V0(s)/u as shown in the circuit.
How am I supposed to find the current I1 and I3 for the two resistors in this case?
Thanks
 

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jisbon said:
Homework Statement:: As shown below.
Relevant Equations:: -

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Transformed circuit:
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Using KVL,

Now, I am unsure about the current to use KVL in this case.
As far as equation goes:
Vi(s) =(I1*R)+(I3*R)+Vc(s), where Vc(s) = V0(s)/u as shown in the circuit.
How am I supposed to find the current I1 and I3 for the two resistors in this case?
Thanks
Would you be able to send a more clear picture of the circuit? Or atleast answer these questions about the problem statement so that I can get a better idea:

  • Is that the greek letter "μ" next to the voltage-controlled voltage source (Please see screenshot below with red circle)? Are we given a value for μ or any other values?
  • Do we have to put the transfer function in terms of Vc and Vi? Or do we have to put everything in terms of R , s and C? This will make a difference when we are re-arranging the terms in the system of equations to solve for Vo/Vi.
  • Do we have any other voltage or current values across any other component in the circuit? Do we assume any voltage or current values across any other components in the circuit?
  • Where is the ground symbol in the circuit? That will make a huge difference if you were to use the node-voltage method to solve for the Vo/Vi relationship.

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Once you confirm all the information and the drawing from the problem statement, I'll be able to have a proper attempt at this problem.
So far, this is my drawing:

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Are you okay with KCL or KVL? The approach here is you'll want to solve for ##v_c##. Once you get that, then you know that ##v_o## is dependent on it and you'll be done.

KVL you can do this with two current loops. Some people might call it a mesh analysis (they're really the same). You'll have to bookkeep what sinks and sources and the total voltage of that loop has to sum to zero.

I don't like bookkeeping and so, even though it's little bit more work, I'll opt for KCL here. Here's the next step I would take.

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It doesn't matter which direction you draw the arrows if you draw them all in or all out. This is because if you multiple both sides by ##-1## this flips the arrow, but ##(-1)(0)## is still ##0##. I drew them all inwards in this case. Do whatever makes you feel more comfortable. I simply apply Ohm's law to each arrow so you can see on the left side the voltage across ##R## is ##v_i - v_x## and Ohm's law says the current through that resistor is ##v/R##. I repeated it for each current for the entire equation.

Now you're working a very basic algebra problem and you have two unknowns: ##v_x## which I made up and ##v_c##. You can come up with an equation for ##v_x## that is dependent on ##v_c##.

Hint: Do Ohm's law across the resistor and the capacitor for ##v_x##. In the equation above I only did it across the resistor, but the current going through ##R## and ##C## is the same.

Once you've eliminated ##v_x## so that the only unknown is ##v_c##, then you can isolate ##v_c## for its solution. Just as said earlier: If you know ##v_c##, then you know ##v_o##.
 
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Thanks for all the replies :)
I do actually solved it after redrawing the circuit more clearly :)
 
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