Finding the Value of cot(pi/8) in the form a + b*sqrt(2)

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of cot(π/8) expressed in the form a + b√(2), following the derivation of a related trigonometric identity. Participants are exploring the relationship between cotangent and sine/cosine functions, specifically using the equation cot(θ) = (1 + cos(2θ)) / sin(2θ).

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of cot(π/8) and share their attempts at simplifying the expression. There are questions about how to rearrange the results to fit the desired form of a + b√(2). Some participants also inquire about formatting mathematical expressions in the forum.

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Several participants have provided insights and suggestions on how to approach the problem, including rearranging terms and using LaTeX for better formatting. There is acknowledgment of correct calculations, but no explicit consensus on the final form of the answer has been reached.

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Homework Statement


Show that sin(2θ) / (1 + cos(2θ) = tan(θ) - I've completed this part
Hence find the value of cot(π/8) in the form a + b√(2), where a, b ∈ ℤ

Homework Equations


cot(θ) = (1 + cos(2θ)) / sin(2θ)

The Attempt at a Solution


I did the math, got (1 + cos(π/4)) / sin(π/4) = (1 + 1/2√(2)) / (1/2√(2)) = (2 + √(2)) / √(2) = (2 / √(2)) + 1
Assuming I did all the math correctly, I can't figure out how to get to a + b√(2) from here.
Any tips?

(Also if anyone can answer this, how can I make my math look more "math-like" in these forums? I hate having to insert math as typed up stuff that looks sloppy)

Thanks very much for any help anyone can offer!
 
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cmkluza said:

Homework Statement


Show that sin(2θ) / (1 + cos(2θ) = tan(θ) - I've completed this part
Hence find the value of cot(π/8) in the form a + b√(2), where a, b ∈ ℤ

Homework Equations


cot(θ) = (1 + cos(2θ)) / sin(2θ)

The Attempt at a Solution


I did the math, got (1 + cos(π/4)) / sin(π/4) = (1 + 1/2√(2)) / (1/2√(2)) = (2 + √(2)) / √(2) = (2 / √(2)) + 1
Assuming I did all the math correctly, I can't figure out how to get to a + b√(2) from here.
Any tips?

(Also if anyone can answer this, how can I make my math look more "math-like" in these forums? I hate having to insert math as typed up stuff that looks sloppy)

Thanks very much for any help anyone can offer!

Isn't ##\frac{2}{\sqrt{2}}=\sqrt{2}##? I'll try and find a link to a TeX tutorial on the website to help you make your stuff look more "math-like".
 
cmkluza said:

Homework Statement


Show that sin(2θ) / (1 + cos(2θ) = tan(θ) - I've completed this part
Hence find the value of cot(π/8) in the form a + b√(2), where a, b ∈ ℤ

Homework Equations


cot(θ) = (1 + cos(2θ)) / sin(2θ)

The Attempt at a Solution


I did the math, got (1 + cos(π/4)) / sin(π/4) = (1 + 1/2√(2)) / (1/2√(2)) = (2 + √(2)) / √(2) = (2 / √(2)) + 1
Assuming I did all the math correctly, I can't figure out how to get to a + b√(2) from here.
Any tips?

(Also if anyone can answer this, how can I make my math look more "math-like" in these forums? I hate having to insert math as typed up stuff that looks sloppy)

Thanks very much for any help anyone can offer!
Write ##\displaystyle\ \frac{1+\cos(2\theta)}{\sin(2\theta)}\ ## as ##\displaystyle\ \frac{1}{\sin(2\theta)}+\frac{\cos(2\theta)}{\sin(2\theta)}\ ## .

(Use LaTeX for math-like stuff.) LaTeX Guide
 
your math is correct, you can write it as 1 + \sqrt{2}

a=b=1

To write math equations write the word "itex" in [], and when you're done write "itex" after the dash in [ /]
there may be a shortcut to that, though
 
Thank you very much for your help! I should've considered rearranging the problem in the first place to get that answer, but I guess I just wasn't thinking of it at the time. It always bug me when I miss one small thing that could lead me to the answer. Also, thanks for introducing me to LaTeX! I'm going to have to look more into that.
 
deedsy said:
your math is correct, you can write it as 1 + \sqrt{2}

a=b=1

To write math equations write the word "itex" in [], and when you're done write "itex" after the dash in [ /]
there may be a shortcut to that, though
There is a shortcut that I find easier to type. Instead of itex tags, use a ## pair at the beginning and another pair at the end. Use those for inline math stuff.

For standalone math stuff use a pair of $$ at the start and another pair at the end. These are equivalent to the [ tex ] and [ /tex ] tags.
 
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