Finding the velocity of an object being pushed up an angular slope

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a box being pushed up an incline. The problem includes parameters such as mass, angle of the incline, coefficient of kinetic friction, and applied force, with the goal of determining the velocity of the box after a certain distance.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done by various forces, including gravitational work, work done by the applied force, and work done against friction. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of angles in the work formula and the calculation of the normal force.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about angles and forces. Some have provided recalculations based on their interpretations, while others suggest re-evaluating the normal force and its role in the calculations. There is no clear consensus yet on the correct approach.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the normal force, with one participant incorrectly stating it is zero. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the angle between the applied force and displacement in the context of work done.

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1. A box mass m=1 kg is pushed up an incline of an angle theta=30 degrees that has a coefficient of kinetic friction u_k=.5. Find the velocity of the object after it pushed for d=2m by a force of magnitude F=11N directed upward alone the incline.


W_g=m*g*d*cos(90+theta)
W_constant force=F*d*cos(theta)
F_f=m*g*u_k
F_n=m*g
W(which is the sum of the work done on the box)=1/2*m*v^2


First off I solved for the W_g, which is just straight substitution W_g=1*9.8*2*cos(120)=-9.8. After that I solved for the constant force W_constant force= 11[N]*2*cos(30)=19.05. Now this is the part where I try to determine the work that friction affects the box which is F_f=1*9.8*.5=4.9 and I am not for sure if I need to solve for the work done by friction W_f=4.9*2*cos(30) or not and i know the normal force is 0 since F_n is perpendicular to the displacement ... I know the answer is 3.2 [M/s] but I am off by a bit every time.
Please help!
 

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Let's consider your expression for the work done by the constant force for a moment. You have

W = Fd.cos(Θ)

What is the definition of the angle Θ?
 
Would it not just be the angle of 30 degrees which the slope is angled at?
 
Murph said:
Would it not just be the angle of 30 degrees which the slope is angled at?
Nope, what is the definition of Θ in the equation for work done by a constant force?
 
Oh yea... I have been poking in numbers for a while i did the angle of that to be zero as well so then my work done for the constant is W_c=11*2*cos(0degrees).. or am I still wrong... haha..which is 22
 
Murph said:
Oh yea... I have been poking in numbers for a while i did the angle of that to be zero as well so then my work done for the constant is W_c=11*2*cos(0degrees)
Looks better to me :approve:

Θ is the angle between the applied force and the displacement, in this case the force and displacement are parallel and hence the angle is zero.
 
ok so I have W_g=-9.8 my W_c=22 and my W_friction=-8.487, so then I add those sums to get my total work done which is W=3.713 then I plug that into the Kinetic energy theorem and have the v=sqrt(2*W/m)...sqrt(2*3.713/1)=2.72...and the answer is 3.2[M/s]...am I still making errors?
 
You may want to recheck your calculation of the normal force. The normal is not zero as you stated in your opening post, and it is not simply the weight of the object as you have in your calculations.

Start by resolving the forces acting on the block into the components perpendicular to the slope.
 

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